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From: terryl@tekcrl.TEK.COM
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: vms vs unix
Message-ID: <1672@tekcrl.TEK.COM>
Date: Thu, 21-May-87 17:20:48 EDT
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Posted: Thu May 21 17:20:48 1987
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In article <7494@brl-adm.ARPA> SULLIVAN%suny-bing.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET writes:
+Those who think that vms is superior to bsd for "number crunching" are
+probably comparing vms fortran programs to bsd f77 programs.  Try running
+the same programs under ultrix with the vax-11 for ultrix fortran compiler.
+(ok, it costs $3000 for a microvax, but it costs that much to run it under
+vms also).
+
+Regardless of limits on the number of commands remembered, the command
+editing facility of vms (invoked with up-arrow) is one of the few things
+really nice about vms.  Shell-writers' alert!  such a facility would be a
+very fine addition to unix.  how unfortunate for vms that it only works (along
+with everything else) if you have a vt100 or equivalent terminal.  I'm 
+convinced that DEC waited until they were no longer making money from terminals
+to support Ultrix!

     Well, then I suggest you check out tcsh. We've been running it here for
at least 3 years on a VAX running UNIX, and since we got it off of the net,
I think it might have been running even before that. It has all of the command
line editing, and it will run on any ascii crt terminal.

     The only problem with it is that it consists of diffs to the regular csh
sources, and as such you need a source license for it.

     You mean VMS is still doing that (ONLY supporting vt100-type terminals
for any kind of screen-oriented programs)??? That was one of my main com-
plaints in having to use VMS (and I haven't had to use VMS since version 1.6).