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From: shaffer@operations.dccs.upenn.edu (Earl Shaffer)
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Subject: Re: Teaching Assembler on VAX (BSD 4.3)
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Date: Mon, 1-Jun-87 10:16:00 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun  1 10:16:00 1987
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In article <58900011@gorgo.UUCP> bsteve@gorgo.UUCP writes:
>
>BLETCH!
>
>This discussion is becomming totally pointless. I would not even consider
>teaching assembly language with 'as' on the VAX. It is easy enough to recall
>that in that environment 'C' IS the assembly language for the most part.
>
>Nevertheless, I do not believe that assembly language should be omitted from
>the curriculum. It is an essential part of a student's introduction to
>machine organization.
>
>The VAX is a nice choice for teaching assembly language, but only with the
>VMS assembler. MACRO32 is probably one of the best assembly language
>programming environments to be had anywhere. After all, it is still a real
>programming language under VMS (not that this is good :-).
>
>   Steve Blasingame (Oklahoma City)
>   ihnp4!gorgo!bsteve

****** I included the whole text because I had to ************

I AGREE!! Please, cant we drop the subject!  It started as 'looking for
an assembler' and then it got way out of hand.  If you are a UNIX school,
why teach assember at all.  Teach C.  If you have VMS (yea, I am not afraid
to say I perfer VMS :-) then you use MACRO32.

I believe that after careful inspection MACRO32 is a great language.

But please, lets move on to something else.



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Earl Shaffer - University of Pennsylvania - Data Communications Department
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