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From: bob@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Sutterfield)
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Subject: Re: Okay, you X'ers, how the he...
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Date: Wed, 27-May-87 10:29:13 EDT
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In article <5840003@wdl1.UUCP> gerolima@wdl1.UUCP (Mark Gerolimatos) writes:
> How the hell do you get out of X (on a Sun)?!?!?!?!?

	I just send a kill signal to the console window.  Typing
`exit' to its shell will do, as will opening it and using the xterm
menus to generate the signal.  It's ugly, because all the clients will
complain to the real console screen that their sockets are no longer
connected to the server, but it works quickly.

	And when the server gets the SIGKILL it will exit politely and
restore your keyboard.

> ... And also, does anyone out there have a REAL window manager?  You
> know, one with menus, so that I don't have to do an
> ESC-META-CTRL-SHIFT-ALT-LEFT-THEN-RIGHT-MOUSE-BUTTON to close a
> window?

	You forgot the step about spinning in your chair and yelling
`Viva Quebec' three times really loudly.

	Another alternative would be to configure your .uwmrc or
.menuwmrc in a manner less distasteful to you.  When my cursor is in
the background stipple, the window manager (menuwm in my case) takes
naked mouse hits and gives appropriate menus.  If you'd like a look at
today's configuration, let me know and I'll send it your way as an
example.

> Anyone ever seen GMW? Now THAT'S a windowing system!

	Once again, this particular problem is not with the window
system, nor with the window manager, but with the user-configurable
parts of it.  The defaults you get `out of the box' aren't that hot,
but you can fix it easily with your favorite text editor and without
recompiling.

	Perhaps the defaults are the way they are (usable but
unexciting), to encourage people to really *think* about they way they
want their window manager to feel?
-=-
 Bob Sutterfield, Department of Computer and Information Science
 The Ohio State University; 2036 Neil Ave. Columbus OH USA 43210-1277
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