Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!jade!jkh From: jkh@jade.BERKELEY.EDU (Jordan K. Hubbard) Newsgroups: mod.rec.guns Subject: Re: NRA Internal Politics Message-ID: <3232@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 20-Apr-87 13:35:31 EST Article-I.D.: jade.3232 Posted: Mon Apr 20 13:35:31 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 22-Apr-87 02:13:20 EST Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 80 Approved: jkh@ucbjade Author: Mark O'Shea Article: 4:14 In-Reply-To: <3023@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Here's my vote for allowing the discussion of NRA internal politics in this group. The powers that be have keep this rather quiet. I asked about a year ago in this forum if anyone knew what was going on. I never got a response. I assume this meant noone knew. Which seems to be born out by this discussion. At the time of my last membership renewal I wrote a letter to James Reinke, The NRA President. I asked for an explanation of what was going on and stated that I would not renew unless I got an answer. I received a prompt response explaining the resignation of Ray Arnett and the hiring of Warren Cassidy. It was brief and told me nothing of the politics behind it. I want to know what is going on. I am frustrated bt the lack of communication with the rank and file by the management. Management we elected. I favor using this group to air the information others may have. If others don't like it the "k" key works. The group is a diverse one. I was fed up with the proliferation of ".45" articles a while back. But that interested a segment of the group. So be it. Let the discussion continue. -- Mark O'Shea marko@tekecs.GWD.TEK Tektronix, Inc. Willieville, Orygun Return-Path: ucbcad!ames!rutgers!ames!pyramid!weitek!ubvax!frank@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Received: from jade.berkeley.edu by violet.berkeley.edu (5.54 (CFC 4.22.2)/1.16.3) id AA01791; Wed, 8 Apr 87 23:14:23 PST Received: from ucbvax.berkeley.edu by jade.berkeley.edu (5.54 (CFC 4.22.3)/1.16.12) id AA12376; Wed, 8 Apr 87 20:05:42 PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.57/1.23) id AA14383; Wed, 8 Apr 87 19:05:06 PST Received: by cad.Berkeley.EDU (5.53/1.23) id AA19425; Wed, 8 Apr 87 19:27:32 PST Received: Wed, 8 Apr 87 19:23:15 PDT by ames.arpa (5.45/1.2) Received: by rutgers.edu; Wed, 8 Apr 87 04:03:59 EDT Received: by sri-unix.ARPA (5.31/5.14) id AA09441; Wed, 8 Apr 87 01:01:11 MST Received: by hplabs.HP.COM ; Tue, 7 Apr 87 23:04:15 pst Received: by cae780.TEK.COM (5.31/6.19) id AA09119; Tue, 7 Apr 87 23:35:24 PDT Received: by ubvax.UUCP (4.12/4.7) id AA17483; Tue, 7 Apr 87 17:37:04 pst Date: Tue, 7 Apr 87 17:37:04 pst From: ucbcad!ames!rutgers!ames!pyramid!weitek!ubvax!frank@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Frank Warren) Message-Id: <8704080137.AA17483@ubvax.UUCP> To: ames!jade!jkh Subject: Re: Hello out there? In-Reply-To: <2971@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Hi, Jordan. In response to the message saying we should go into blood and guts stories on this board, I vote against it. If we all want to talk about it, mail.firearms, not the public boards, are the place to discuss it. Self-defense, blood-and-guts, all that stuff, is not what this group is about in my estimation. In my experience, such stuff can get out of hand easily which is why I had doubts about sending anything to you about it. If anyone on the board feels threatened and all that, pick up a copy of Massad Ayoob's "In The Gravest Extreme" where the ethics, politics, law and practice of self-defense is covered in great detail. Ayoob also offers courses in this stuff tailored to the local area if there are enough students to justify his travelling. I do not think our amateur opinions about self defense will, in fact, be as valuable as the 10 odd years of study that Ayoob has put into the subject. The boy knows his stuff. So, without prejudice or heat, I discourage you on the subject of blood and guts messages. I feel they don't belong here. "Against a diseased imagination, demonstration goes for nothing." -- Mark Twain