Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!uwvax!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!van-bc!sl From: sl@van-bc.UUCP Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: Binaries/Shareware Message-ID: <767@van-bc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 28-May-87 01:43:51 EDT Article-I.D.: van-bc.767 Posted: Thu May 28 01:43:51 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 29-May-87 05:03:43 EDT References: <315@pcrat.UUCP> <922@maynard.BSW.COM> Reply-To: sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) Organization: Public Access Network, Vancouver, BC. Lines: 55 Keywords: Expensive Inconsiderate Chauvinistic In article <***@*******.***.***> ********@*******.**** (***** ********) writes: >In article <***@*****.****> ****@*****.**** (**** **********) gripes about: > >> 1) A REPOST of >> 2) A UUENCODED, BINARY copy of >> 3) A SHAREWARE program (ARC520), which >> 4) You can get on nearly any local RBBS > >I agree. I, also, was annoyed to have spent real money and tied up valuable >disk space for binaries for a machine I don't even own, and even if I did >it wouldn't be running the "operating system" (I'm using the term *very* >loosely) for which the aforementioned program was intended. > If nothing else UUNET promises to bring some reality into this net. The backbone sites have been complaining about this for ages. All they got for their troubles was flame after flame after flame. I mean we all have the RIGHT to post this stuff don't we. Quit complaining guys. You're in the same boat as the backbone and everyone else who pays for their feed. And yes you will continue to get stuff that you really don't want. You also knew the types of things that your where likely to get when you signed up for UUNET. The whole rational behind Usenet is transporting a lot of junk around so that you find the pearl hidden inside. If everyone had the same ideas about what constituted a valuable posting we could get rid of 95% of the traffic. Unfortunately everyone has a different idea about what they want to send and receive. So we get a large volume of traffic most of which is only marginally interesting to a small number of people. As far as I can see the problem is probably going to get worse before it gets better. However sites like UUNET may actually help reduce your costs. Because they are being PAID to do so they will carry anything and everything (within reason) that there is a demand for. But YOU don't have to download it. Just tell them what groups you want. Of course this only works well if you are not a backbone site yourself. But even if you are, with some scrutiny of your user base (including the users downstream) you may be able to reduce your load. I think we will find the structure of Usenet changing over the next year or so. The current backbone sites are getting to the point of not wanting to carry the load. UUNET if it succeeds will show them how to gracefully back out. So a year or two from now we will all probably be paying a small amount for our news, rather than a few sites paying large amounts. This will be a good thing for Usenet. It will force an appreciation of the net on more of the users. As with most things you enjoy most what you work and pay for. Things that are free are easily abused and discarded when your interest lags. -- Stuart Lynne ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!van-bc!sl Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532