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Subject: Re: A meta-comment, and a suggestion.
Message-ID: <857@apple.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 29-May-87 13:38:07 EDT
Article-I.D.: apple.857
Posted: Fri May 29 13:38:07 1987
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Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, USA
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Summary: Why here?  Why me?  Why now?  Why not?

In article <1446@hoxna.UUCP>, lou@hoxna.UUCP ( L. Marco ) writes:
> In article <387@unisoft.UUCP>, jef@unisoft.uucp (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
> > 
> > < jef's comments re curtis re MES deleted>
> >
> > >this person is nothing but a deliberate trouble-maker and attention hound.
> > 
> >  The above insinuation is revolting.
> 
> 	What's most revolting is that he's making trouble and hounding
> attention in news.*, instead of soc.*, where it belongs.   If I cared
> about this stuff, I'd carry soc.line_noise.  So, why am I posting this?
> 
I would like to second this reaction.  I don't know anything about the 
cause of this flamage.  I don't know Mark E. Smith.  I don't know what
gender hesheit has (or does not have, or doesn't care about).  I don't 
want to know anything about hisherit gender (or anything related to hisherit
reaction to hisherit gender or other folks reaction to the reaction or ...)

Can this garbage Please be moved back into soc.* so that news.* can have
some rational content restored?

> A suggestion:  I think this whole brouhaha started over some questionable
> material in soc.women.  Since having soc.women as an open group seems to 
> result in an uncomfortable environment for its readers, and in spill-overs
> to other groups, I think soc.women should be *moderated*.  Remember 

From what little I have seen of Mark E. Smith's postings hesheit would find
that an unacceptable restriction on hisherit's right to post whatever flamage
came into hisherit's mind.  While I generally find the idea of moderating
news groups to be an anathema, I would support most anything that got the
crud level down in this group ...

> .women.only ?  The moderator's job would be simple: No postings by men.

Hmmm, just a side thought ... how long would a 'mens only' club (newsgroup)
survive the feminist attack it would engender ?  Why are men so willing to
give women a space of their own, when women are so unwilling to reciprocate?

I know this question really belongs in some other news group; but then so 
does this whole debate about MES...

> Thus, no feminist vs. MCP flame wars.  No cross-posted garbage.  The
> women get a for,by,and about women newsgroup.  Matter of fact, if 
> it goes over, *I'd* volunteer for moderator.  I mean this in all seriousness,
> and with no implied sexism or denigration of anyone.  So flames>/dev/null.
> 
>                                                        Lou Marco
> 
> ps - Of course, people like MES would need a note
> from their SA attesting to their sex.  Like for
> the Security mailing list....

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ...!sun!apple!ems

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