Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!princeton!allegra!ulysses!faline!karn From: karn@faline.UUCP Newsgroups: sci.crypt Subject: Re: Cheap more-or-less one-time-pads Message-ID: <573@faline.bellcore.com> Date: Mon, 11-May-87 03:00:21 EDT Article-I.D.: faline.573 Posted: Mon May 11 03:00:21 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 14-May-87 02:09:45 EDT References: <57@decvax.UUCP> <182@vianet.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 25 Keywords: DES Summary: Commercial CDs make lousy one-time-pads While custom-made CDs with random bits would make excellent one-time pads, using commercially available music recordings would be a very bad idea. Even if you disregard the statistical attacks that would be possible because of the high degree of correlation (non-randomness) between samples on all music recordings (with the possible exception of Billy and the Boingers), the system is not very secure. The effective "key space" is well within range of a brute force attack. Assume there are 20,000 titles available on CD (this is a guess). If each message is encrypted with the CD contents starting at the beginning of the disk, then the effective "key" (ie., the title of the disk) is less than 15 bits. You could make the effective key longer by starting at some random point on the disk and wrapping around back to your starting point. A typical CD has 60 minutes of music; this is 5 gigabits. Log2(5e9) is about 32, so you can add 32 bits to your key for a total of 47 bits. You're better off sticking with DES for the time being. There is precedent for using audio recordings to hold one-time-pad keys. The vocoder system developed for secure voice conversations between Roosevelt and Churchill in WWII used audio recordings of the noise generated by a mercury vapor rectifier. Two copies were made, the originals destroyed, and the records sent to Washington and London. Phil