Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!amdcad!amd!intelca!mipos3!omepd!randys From: randys@mipon3.intel.com (Randy Steck) Newsgroups: rec.aviation,sci.electronics,rec.audio Subject: Re: Noise-cancelling microphone Message-ID: <716@omepd> Date: Fri, 22-May-87 19:45:15 EDT Article-I.D.: omepd.716 Posted: Fri May 22 19:45:15 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 23-May-87 19:12:45 EDT References: <1027@mips.UUCP> <689@cod.UUCP> <867@lll-lcc.aRpA> <2849@mit-hermes.AI.MIT.EDU> Sender: news@omepd Reply-To: randys@mipon3.UUCP (Randy Steck) Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro Lines: 41 Xref: mnetor rec.aviation:1663 sci.electronics:732 rec.audio:1709 In article <2849@mit-hermes.AI.MIT.EDU> jpexg@mit-hermes.AI.MIT.EDU (John Purbrick) writes: > >Regarding noise-cancelling speakers and mikes, there was an article in the >British magazine "New Scientist" a while back about the use of "anti-noise" >near large sources of acoustic noise like stationary gas turbine installations. >The idea was to put a microphone some way from the device and drive a speaker >adjacent to the device; an electronic system would try to null out the >resultant signal as measured at the mike. As I recall the system was claimed >to work fairly well, but I don't recall the db figures or how they solved >the obvious problem of delay from the noise sources to the mike. The algorithm of adaptive signal processing apparently used in this system was invented by Widrow of Stanford. I audited a class he taught on the subject and he suggested that one of the students try to build something similar to the above for a class project. He wanted to call it a "Cone of Silence" (I hope it works better than Maxwell Smart's!). However, there seems to be a small problem with the application of such a system. It seems to be possible to cancel noise at the microphone if the source of the noise is reasonably periodic. The problem comes in when a person moves away from the microphone since the hearer may no longer be in the "trough" of the waveform, but at a "peak". If the noise was large enough to cancel in the first place, then the resultant additive component would probably blow a person's ears out. This is minimized by putting the speaker near the device, but the area near the device would have many "peak" regions. And if the microphone moves (maybe being worn by someone?) the adaptive filter has to adjust itself. This may take some time depending on the algorithm used, so the user better not move too fast. And if that weren't bad enough, what about the use of more than one microphone? An additive peak will likely result somewhere. It seems that the system described in this mail would be limited to cancelling noise for 1 or 2 people in a stationary position for long periods of time. But, it's really interesting technology! Makes for alot of fun in the lab, too. -- Randy Steck Intel Corp. ...intelca!mipos3!omepd!randys