Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!sri-spam!mordor!lll-tis!ptsfa!ihnp4!homxb!houdi!marty1 From: marty1@houdi.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT) Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.cog-eng Subject: Re: The symbol grounding problem Message-ID: <1188@houdi.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Jun-87 13:19:29 EDT Article-I.D.: houdi.1188 Posted: Fri Jun 26 13:19:29 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 27-Jun-87 10:52:28 EDT References: .... <6174@diamond.BBN.COM> <914@mind.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel Lines: 20 Summary: Bad syllogism; and, why both comp.ai and comp.cog-eng? Xref: mnetor comp.ai:576 comp.cog-eng:149 In article <914@mind.UUCP>, harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) writes: > Invertibility is a necessary condition for iconic representation, not > for grounding. Grounding symbolic representations (according to my > hypothesis) requires both iconic and categorical representations... Syllogism: (a) grounding ... requires ... iconic ... representation.... (b) invertibility is ... necessary ... for iconic representation. (c) hence, grounding must require invertibility. Why then does harnad say "invertibility is a necessary condition for ..., NOT for grounding" (caps mine, of course)? This discussion is getting hard to follow. Does it have to be carried on simultaneously in both comp.ai and comp.cog-eng? Could harnad, who seems to be the major participant, pick one? M. B. Brilliant Marty AT&T-BL HO 3D-520 (201)-949-1858 Holmdel, NJ 07733 ihnp4!houdi!marty1