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From: marty1@houdi.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.cog-eng
Subject: Re: The symbol grounding problem
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Date: Tue, 30-Jun-87 15:47:08 EDT
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Posted: Tue Jun 30 15:47:08 1987
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Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel
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Summary: How long does the Total Turing Test last? (learning vs. prewiring)
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In article <937@mind.UUCP>, harnad@mind.UUCP (Stevan Harnad) writes:
> marty1@houdi.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT) of AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel asks:
> ....
> >	do you really want this machine to be so Totally Turing that it
> >	grows like a human, learns like a human, and not only learns new
> >	objects, but, like a human born at age zero, learns how to perceive
> >	objects?  How much of its abilities do you want to have wired in,
> >	and how much learned?
> 
> That's an empirical question. All it needs to do is pass the Total
> turing Test -- i.e., exhibit performance capacities that are
> indistinguishable from ours. If you can do it by building everything
> in a priori, go ahead. I'm betting it'll need to learn -- or be able to
> learn -- a lot.

To refine the question: how long do you imagine the Total Turing Test
will last?  Science fiction stories have robots or aliens living in
human society as humans for periods of years, as long as they live with
strangers, but failing after a few hours trying to supplant a human and
fool his or her spouse.

By "performance capabilities," do you mean the capability to adapt as a
human does to the experiences of a lifetime?  Or only enough learning
capability to pass a job interview?

M. B. Brilliant					Marty
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