Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!ptsfa!ames!rutgers!husc6!ut-sally!berleant From: berleant@ut-sally.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.cog-eng Subject: Re: The symbol grounding problem Message-ID: <8260@ut-sally.UUCP> Date: Sun, 14-Jun-87 21:43:55 EDT Article-I.D.: ut-sally.8260 Posted: Sun Jun 14 21:43:55 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 16-Jun-87 01:00:35 EDT References: <764@mind.UUCP> <768@mind.UUCP> <770@mind.UUCP> <6174@diamond.BBN.COM> <1152@houdi.UUCP> <835@mind.UUCP> Reply-To: berleant@ut-sally.UUCP (Dan Berleant) Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 38 Keywords: icons, categories, symbols, grounding, modularity, cognition Xref: utgpu comp.ai:485 comp.cog-eng:115 It is interesting that some (presumably significant) visual processing occurs by graded potentials without action potentials. Receptor cells (rods & cones), 'horizontal cells' which process the graded output of the receptors, and 'bipolar cells' which do further processing, use no action potentials to do it. This seems to indicate the significance of analog processing to vision. There may also be significant invertibility at these early stages of visual processing in the retina: One photon can cause several hundred sodium channels in a rod cell to close. Such sensitivity suggests a need for precise representation of visual stimuli which suggests the representation might be invertible. Furthermore, the retina cannot be viewed as a module, only loosely coupled to the brain. The optic nerve, which does the coupling, has a high bandwidth and thus carries much information simultaneously along many fibers. In fact, the optic nerve carries a topographic representation of the retina. To the degree that a topographic representation is an iconic representation, the brain thus receives an iconic representation of the visual field. Furthermore, even central processing of visual information is characterized by topographic representations. This suggests that iconic representations are important to the later stages of perceptual processing. Indeed, all of the sensory systems seem to rely on topographic representations (particularly touch and hearing as well as vision). An interesting example in hearing is direction perception. Direction seems to be, as I understand it, found by processing the difference in time from when a sound reaches one ear to when it reaches the other, in large part. The resulting direction is presumably an invertible representation of that time difference. Dan Berleant UUCP: {gatech,ucbvax,ihnp4,seismo,kpno,ctvax}!ut-sally!berleant ARPA: ai.berleant@r20.utexas.edu