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From: hah@isum.intel.com (Hans Hansen)
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Subject: Re: Hacker Scholarship
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Date: Fri, 19-Jun-87 21:55:04 EDT
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In article <345@genesis.UUCP> andys@genesis.UUCP (a.b.sherman) writes:
>In article <2757@mtgzz.UUCP>, gcm@mtgzz.UUCP writes:
>> 
>>   Wonder why we have so many security problems at our comp centers -
>> read on.
>> 
>> ************************************
>> From Asbury Park Press (week of 6/15)
>> ************************************
>> 
>> 	        APPLE FOUNDER OFFERS SCHOLARSHIP FOR HACKERS
>> 	          - Associated Press
>> 
>First, I think that used to be done here with blue-boxers. 
>However toll fraud is now a multi-million dollar industry that is no
>longer cute, no longer funny and no longer tolerable to our
>business.
>
>Second, I think the social deviance is more than mild when people
>hack away at other people's work or learning environment.  It is one
>thing to figure out how to become root.  It is quite another to use
>that knowledge to make it impossible for other people (NOT faceless
>representatives of Ma Bell, but PEOPLE) to do their work.  Somebody
>who thinks it's cute to cream the root file system of somebody
>else's computer is extremely anti-social.  Real people have their
>livelihoods, and professional reputations tied up with the data that
>is lost, and suffer from real depression and frustration when it
>happens.
>
>Screw Wozniak and send the bastards to jail.
>-- 
>andy sherman

Its too bad that you failed to fully reason this out before firing off
your followup.

What Woz is trying to do will IMPROVE systems security not destroy it.
As more holes are found and plugged all computer users will benifit,
INCLUDING Ma Bell!  If anything all security conscious companies should
follow Woz's lead.  The fact that it is so easy to rip off the Phone
Company should SHOUT that you have major problems.  Don't stick your
head in the sand and expect the problems to go away!  Donate computer
systems with your latest software to schools and have them HACK away
in a controlled environment.  Find your BACK DOORS and put locks on
them!  If this is handled correctly it can be a BIG win for the whole
computer using society.

As far as Woz being ANTI-SOCIAL, I think if you just calm down and
reasses his true intent you will come to the conclusion that he is
a real leader!

Hans