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From: jack@mcvax.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.m6809
Subject: Re: Re: True Multitasking, and some history lessons
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Date: Thu, 4-Jun-87 16:40:55 EDT
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Posted: Thu Jun  4 16:40:55 1987
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Reply-To: jack@boring.UUCP (Jack Jansen)
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In article <2194@husc6.UUCP> hadeishi@husc4.UUCP (mitsuharu hadeishi) writes:
>...  But the real memory hog is the UNIX machines, not
>the Amiga, since the Amiga has shared libraries which make executables
>that access shared system resources and functions (windowing interface,
>etc.) much smaller than their UNIX counterparts, which have to link
>in a HUGE run-time library to EACH executable that uses them.  Thus
>UNIX windowing applications tend to run quickly up into the multi-megabyte
>range, where the equivalent Amiga executable would be MUCH smaller.

This might *seem* true, if you look at the sun et. al., but it isn't
if you design your window manager carefully, and make the right
decisions about what to put in the kernel, what to put in a system-wide
daemon, and what to put in user libraries, (and what to put in hardware,
if you have that option), you can end up with a powerful environment
that doesn't need 200Kb for each program that displays a dialog
box.

On the Whitechapel MG-1, as an example of a window manager that
did this split right, the average size of a program that uses
windows is ~80K. I find this acceptable.

Sun just did a bad design (not even speaking of the so-called
user interface they give you. Yuck. Not even being able to type without
the mouse obscuring your window. Blech), and now they'll have to fix
it with concoctions like shared libraries....
-- 
	Jack Jansen, jack@cwi.nl (or jack@mcvax.uucp)
	The shell is my oyster.