Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!uwvax!vanvleck!uwmcsd1!lakesys!gryphon!richard From: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Time to flame at Aegis.... Message-ID: <783@gryphon.CTS.COM> Date: Tue, 23-Jun-87 11:53:19 EDT Article-I.D.: gryphon.783 Posted: Tue Jun 23 11:53:19 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Jun-87 06:26:30 EDT References: <764@gryphon.CTS.COM> <1607@cadovax.UUCP> <3377@well.UUCP> Organization: Trailing Edge Technology, Redondo Beach, Ca. Lines: 115 Summary: Time to dry off the water on the flames In article <3377@well.UUCP>, ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes: > In article <1607@cadovax.UUCP> keithd@cadovax.UUCP (Keith Doyle) writes: > >I was at a semi-private show for "those of you who couldn't make it to Comdex" > >yesterday (6/18) put on by the Southern Ca. Amiga reps. Aegis, Newtek, > > > You'll never know until you play with it yourself. When was the > last time you ever met a sales rep who was intimately familiar with the > program he was supposed to be demoing? It does happen, albeit not often. I have had stuff demoed to me where the demoer knew what they were doing. Usually they started as a techie and ended up as a sales slime. Bill Volk is an example, but there arn't many examples of this for Amigas. > > >Sonix was playing some stuff that was a full band with vocals. [ ... ] > >Unfortunately, the choice of tunes was so much mainstream 'pop' that it > >just seemed like someone had a tinny little A.M. radio going in the corner. > >[ ... ] This stuff you might have figured was the hotel's muzak. You don't > >need an Amiga to hear that. > > What would you prefer? Kraftwerk? Wendy Carlos? Tomita? > You have obviously met Mister Doyle. He thinks Morton Subotnik's "Concert for potentiometer and filter" is too mainstream. I like Tomita et al. Keith can't stand 'em. "Harumph, commercial trash". Keith makes his own music. It's sort of like the soundtrack to Eraserhead. > >games [ ... ] Give me a version of Spellunker or Montezuma's Revenge any > >day. (or Necromancer wouldn't be bad either). > > > Give me a copy of the source; I'll see what I can do. ( 1/2 :-) ) I think Keith raises a good point here. Some of the older games are being ignored. I'd like to see Star Raiders and Choplifter. Yeah Star-Glider is *close* but it has a phenomenon common to other comtemporary Amiga games in that the screen is dived up into the interior of the cockpit and the 'outside' view. I don't need or want to look at the cockpit, I want full screen stars coming at me. Source? SOURCE? I thought you were a hacker, Leo, could't we just send you a choplifter cartridge ? > >A computer artist, Merydythe Dee was their [sic] [and so was] Howard > >Ganz, a computer artist from oceanside. [ ... ] I think there isn't > >enough of this sort of thing going on at such get-togethers. Hear Hear !! > > >2) Richard Lewis, production designer for the Max Headroom show was there, > >[ ... ] > > Do not underestimate the power wielded by this individual. Whether Well, I dunno, without trying to be *too* cynical, Miami vice and Amazing Stories didn't do much, but we'll see... > >'Desktop Video on the Amiga' or similar. Showed off Videoscape 3D from the > >video. [ ... ] I'd say it would be a useful product if the object editor was > >friendly and useful (which I'm beginning to have serious doubts about). > >Dosen't hold a candle to CAD-3D (for Atari from Antic Software) in that > >respect. > > > Creating solid modelling software is no piece of cake. You can > easily invest several dozen man-years into a mere first-generation modeller. > Creating one that can be understood and used by the casual consumer will > probably be next to impossible. Solid modelling packages traditionally I think Keiths point here is that they tacked on a miserable front end to an otherwise reasonable program. Cad-3D for the Atari has a WONDERFULL user interface, what more of a spec did AEGIS need ? Rumor has it, they wanted to finish the 3D program THIS WEEK so they could get on to Mac II stuff, and that all AEGIS is doing now is Mac II stuff. > > I hope Aegis releases the format of the object definition files. > Someone who owns an Amiga and who also works for Pixar, Digital Effects et > al, will cook up a "real" solid modeller for the rest of us. And if this > mythical person follows suit, the program will be PD with source (hope, > hope). > Dream, dream, dream, all I gotta do is dreaeee eee ee eem... As for object definitions, I have a hope that object will find their way into IFF hukns. Mor o nthis later... > General Comments On Message: > > Try not to get too excited, Keith :-). Seriously, were you in a bad > mood that day? Or are you beginning to get a little jaded with all the > current stuff? Your message seemed quite a downer, and I'm just wondering > why. Keith is a very excitable person :-) Especially around Amiga's. He was born in a bad mood :-) And yes, he is *very* jaded. Come see his setup some time ! > > There's no real reason to be down on the Amiga or any of its > developers. If Commodore were to go bankrupt tomorrow, we'd still have the ^^^^ Oh yeah ? How about Borland ? It looks like Aegis is starting to get wierd on us. > _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ > Leo L. Schwab -- The Guy in The Cape ihnp4!ptsfa - -- Richard Sexton INTERNET: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM UUCP: {akgua, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard