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Subject: AEGIS/UN*X
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Date: Mon, 8-Jun-87 00:18:00 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun  8 00:18:00 1987
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Robert Reed writes:

  Here's someone who's obviously never heard of "ksh" or used an Emacs
  shell buffer to interact with the shell.  These are not
  characteristics of UNIX, per se, just as the DM (what a horrible hack)
  is not a characteristic of AEGIS.

I am using Multics Emacs now and I use GNUemacs on the Apollo and Sun.
I don't think the DM is a hack.  I'll usually use the DM when possible.
It is easier to do some things in Emacs and it is easier to do other in
the DM.  You really should spend as much time in the DM as with Emacs
before trying to pass judgement.


  Speaking as one who does prefer UNIX, yes, I do use AEGIS whenever I
  am forced to by the incomplete coverage by Domain/IX of the
  engineering environment I require.

This does not sound to me that you use the Aegis part of the operating
system very much (-:.  Either you have not given Aegis much of a chance
or your requirements are very different from mine.   Actually, I find
that for hacking, UNIX is better.  The thought of doing a major software
project under standard BSD just makes me cringe, though.

It is true that I have spent time around some of the people who helped
develop Ada and some people who are pretty close to the state of the art
in software engineering.  Some people might say that I spend too much
time on the method and not enough time on software it's self.  Of
course, I don't think I do.  

I'd also rather have a slower robust machine than a fast piece of trash.
I really have troubles believing that someone would like UNIX better
when Aegis has DSEE, tb, compilers with real error messages, an
operating system designed with some conventions, ts, dmpf, debug, and
many more 1st and 3rd party products.  I absolutely detest "segmentation
error" and "memory fault".  

Further, I don't look at as Aegis or UNIX.  I look at is as one
operating system.  The aegis commands are at the end of my search path
for my csh and the unix commands are at the end of my search paths for
my /com/sh.  I always have both shells up on my dm and will switch
between them constantly.  Even from a terminal I usually start up a
/com/sh from the csh which a suspend and unsuspend as I need it.  It is
not because I find the Apollo csh incomplete, but because I find the
unix csh does not contain all the functionallity of /com/sh.  Also, I
find that /com/sh does not contain all the functionallity of csh.

I look at it as UNIX++.