Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!ut-sally!husc6!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!HI-MULTICS.ARPA!Erstad From: Erstad@HI-MULTICS.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: AEGIS/UN*X Message-ID: <870609130948.836911@HI-MULTICS.ARPA> Date: Tue, 9-Jun-87 09:09:00 EDT Article-I.D.: HI-MULTI.870609130948.836911 Posted: Tue Jun 9 09:09:00 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 12-Jun-87 03:49:37 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 26 With regard to Robert Reed's comments on "dizzy" (DSEE, or Domain Software Engineering Environment). As a relatively experienced DSEE user (1.5 years of intense use) I would contend that DSEE does indeed deliver what it promises. The primary complaint I would have is that the documentation is not up to snuff, although it did improve significantly with 9.0. On the other hand, it provides powerful, yet easy to use, procedures for code control, history management, and parallel/semi-interelated development efforts. We had one summer student in last year from Stanford (a junior) and had here dizzying away after about 3 days total training on the Apollos and DSEE combined. We've had half a dozen people working in the same general areas; frequently even had two people working on the same tool at the same time for different purposes; DSEE provides the ability to control interactions between these people to allow maximum sharing of commonality while preventing destructive interference. It also allows alternate "branches" of development to proceed, so we may have an obsoleted version of a tool which we continue to bugfix, while developing the next generation of that tool. In short, DSEE doesn't do a lot that couldn't be done manually (except for enforcing proper revision control/history), but I sure as heck wouldn't want to do it. Dave Erstad, Honeywell Solid State Electronics Division