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From: benoni@ssc-vax.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: Aegis Vs. Unix
Message-ID: <1290@ssc-vax.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 11-Jun-87 01:55:37 EDT
Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.1290
Posted: Thu Jun 11 01:55:37 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 13-Jun-87 08:19:27 EDT
References: <8706090628.AA29741@zeus.CS.UCLA.EDU>
Organization: Boeing Aerospace Corp., Seattle WA
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In article <8706090628.AA29741@zeus.CS.UCLA.EDU>, srt@CS.UCLA.EDU writes:
> Much of the functionality of the C-shell isn't needed on the Apollos.  I
> rarely use the history functions (!!, etc.) on the Apollos because "Again"
> and C&P are so much handier, and I'm sure there are other examples.

Totally false!!!!!  Alot of our users started that way and hated it.
It requires *mousing* and *window scrolling* that is tedious and
time consuming.  The c-shell is not only faster but contains many more
practical benefits. 

> I don't think the DM editor is a joke, though it obviously is not nearly as
> flexible as a powerful Emacs.  
The DM editor is a joke.  It was built for non-computing types that 
ocassionally log on and won't have to learn or remember anything.
Amazingly, within one group, four people started out using the DM.  They
all gave it up in favor of VI.  Reasons :
	* documentation(!!!)
	* the DM deals terribly with CONTROL characters
	* balancing symmetrical characters
	* macros 
	* ab
	* ability to set modes
	* VI is everywhere, DM editor is only on Apollo 

Even some of the Apollo developers seem to distance themselves from the
DM editor. A couple of us once got into a discussion about the merits
of the DM editor and VI and they had to admit VI was the more powerful
editor.  Emacs provides even nicer features and am looking foreward to using it.

Speaking of Aegis consistency -

	ACL name1       => gives the acls for the named file or directory
	ACL name1 name2 => clones the acls of name2 on name1

Why didn't they write a CPACL for copy acl.  People munge their files
and directories by thinking they are going to get the acls for two
objects.