Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!mcvax!cernvax!jmg From: jmg@cernvax.UUCP (jmg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Plea from across the pond Message-ID: <490@cernvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 5-Jun-87 04:15:43 EDT Article-I.D.: cernvax.490 Posted: Fri Jun 5 04:15:43 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Jun-87 02:08:26 EDT Reply-To: jmg@cernvax.UUCP () Distribution: world Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics, CH-1211 Geneva, Switzerland Lines: 34 Since I get and test lots of PD software I see some of the problems which could be avoided by better software and an understanding of a basic difference between European and US STs. As well as having a different keyboard, including use of the key, they have an extra key (between the left hand shift key and the first alphabetic key {Y or Z}). Therefore, they have a different numbering of the keys (the number comes in the 32 bit Bconin value). I have recently tried out the Gulam shell, as well as the ue.tos included with it. Both seem hard-wired to the US keyboard, which I assume is because they translate the key number into a character. This makes it slightly hard to work with them!!!! Some products include a keyboard mapping program (e.g. UniTerm), which is fine. However, even then there can be problems when one needs to enter + character. A doubly complicated problem is use of characters requiring the key, when combined with the key. For instance, on a standard German keyboard the '[' character is entered with . However, it is then impossible to enter the [ required for either telnet escape or to map VT220 control sequences on the UniTerm function keys). I am told that the latest version of Magic Sac has hard-coded versions for the various European keyboards. However, if you then try to use the Macintosh localiser you again see the keyboard numbering problem (the lower set of keys seem shifted by one). Thus it looks as if the Magic Sac is also hung up on key numbers. Please, folks, if you do write software that uses direct key numbers, rather than the apparent key code, then allow for the fact that one may even need a key number mapping. Also, don't forget users of keyboards where certain characters need the Alternate key.