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From: korn@cory.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP
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Subject: Re: 512k -> 512ke upgrade
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Date: Fri, 12-Jun-87 03:32:21 EDT
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Posted: Fri Jun 12 03:32:21 1987
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In article <1009@apple.UUCP> dowdy@apple.UUCP (Tom Dowdy) writes:

>>...[someone asks about getting the 128K ROMS and drive (possibly seperately]..

>Well first off. Where do you suppose you are going to get these new
>ROMs?  I don't know who would sell to you, and if they did, it wouldn't
>be legal.  Drive upgrades are disributed to dealers along with a box,
>and they must return both old drives and ROMs in order to get credit.
>(At least, it is my opinion that it isn't legal...)

There is nothing illegal about selling ROMs.  I can open up my Macintosh,
remove the ROMs, and then sell them to whoever I please.  People can purchase
broken macs that dealers, for whatever reasons, don't want to send back to
Apple, and then sell the parts (and make 1 mac out of 2 bad ones with a LOT
of board level work--something that 95% of the Apple dealers aren't capable
of).  Another way is to talk to someone who got one of the BeckTech upgrades
that replace the Apple ROMs with their own--the old 64K apple ROMs are left
in the case taped to the disk drive (this info only useful to Atari users
who are willing to settle for <40% macintosh compatibility and don't mind
breaking the law by using the use-restricted Mac System and Finder).

The only 'legal' question is in how the seller gets the ROMs; as I've 
illustrated above, there are several perfectly legal ways.  Unlikely ways
you say?  Perhaps.  The guy I ran into had only 8 sets of working 64K ROMs,
and only one set of working 128K ROMs the day I talked with him.

>If you could get the ROMs, where would you get a bare drive?  I don't
>know who would sell you one of these either.  I should point out that 
>Apple drives are modified Sonys (for ejecting) and as far as I know
>you couldn't use another Sony in a Mac (someone will correct me if I
>am wrong Im sure :-)) 

A bare drive can be obtained by purchasing a third party external drive
and taking off the cover, thus making a 'bare' drive.  One must be careful
which brand of drive one uses--but it's still quite workable.  

However, the street price for 128K ROMs in the Bay Area is $30/pair.  An
good external drive will cost ~$200 (Central Point).  It's not worth saving
$20 when you wind up with a semi-cludge with non-apple parts...

So Apple upgrage sales have little to worry about...

Peter
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Peter "Arrgh" Korn	 			Oh when, oh when will my MacII
korn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU				 arrive?  Oh where, oh
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