Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!hplabs!cae780!tektronix!tekig!tekig4!briand From: briand@tekig4.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Is my mac about to fry? Message-ID: <1579@tekig4.TEK.COM> Date: Tue, 16-Jun-87 14:28:15 EDT Article-I.D.: tekig4.1579 Posted: Tue Jun 16 14:28:15 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 18-Jun-87 04:08:19 EDT References: <403@oswego.UUCP> Reply-To: briand@tekig4.UUCP (Brian Diehm) Distribution: na Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. Lines: 46 >I use a Mac 512Ke with Apple HD20 at home and with the recent warm weather >it has developed a high-frequency (15-20 khz) "whine" after it has been >on for awhile. It only seems to happen on warm (over 75 degree) days >after the computer has heated up. > >I've read a lot about power supply failures and I'm wondering if this is >a prelude to a breakdown (I remember having a b/w tv years ago that did >this for awhile before the flyback transformer went up in smoke...). This all depends upon how sensitive your ears are at 15.5kHz :-) Very probably all that is happening is that expansion is allowing components in the flyback transformer to vibrate sympathetically. I've seen Macs that are noisy straight out of the box, I had one that only made a low whine after it warmed up for 30 minutes, and most are pretty silent. I have never heard one so loud it sent me out of the room, but I've heard them annoying enough to cause people to hold conversations elsewhere. The way I've fixed a few of these is to stick toothpicks into the frame of the flyback transformer wherever vibrations might start. For example, there is often a frame wire around the ferrite core material, to physically hold the core together. Sticking a toothpick between the frame wire and the core ferrite in a few places (breaking off the unneeded end) seems to fix these right up. Apparently the wood, being a flexible material, can absorb these vibrations. You don't need to jam these in super-tight: if you're worried about breaking something don't do it. Also, putting RTV Silastic around the same locations can dampen the vibrations. This is the vaseline-like goop they use to conduct heat between transistors and their heat sinks: it conducts heat but is highly dielectric. I would warn you to unplug the Mac and completely discharge the high-voltage section before doing any of this, or you may find a new meaning of the Mac term "alert!" Also, though I think this is a good thing to try first, I won't be held responsible if your board later burns up - it could be that this is simply not the problem. As for how much you're looking at to repair, call your dealer and ask how much a standard video board replacement costs. If it's too much, you might consider buying AppleCare before you need it. I believe, but I don't know, that the dealer's cost for a video board swap kit is about $80 - can anyone correct me? -- -Brian Diehm (SDA - Standard Disclaimers Apply) Tektronix, Inc. briand@tekig4.TEK.COM or {decvax,cae780,uw-beaver}!tektronix!tekig4!briand