Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!nbires!hao!noao!mcdsun!rover!mph From: mph@rover.UUCP (Mark Huth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL MICRO USERS!!! FCC INFORMATION TAX AHEAD!! Message-ID: <400@rover.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Jun-87 19:36:47 EDT Article-I.D.: rover.400 Posted: Thu Jun 25 19:36:47 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Jun-87 11:36:16 EDT References: <2315@hoptoad.uucp> <2288@husc6.UUCP> <3021@pucc.Princeton.EDU> Reply-To: mph@rover.UUCP (Mark Huth) Distribution: world Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Az. Lines: 53 Keywords: taxation, free speech, service providers Xref: mnetor comp.sys.ibm.pc:5147 comp.sys.mac:4333 comp.sys.atari.st:4190 comp.sys.amiga:6072 I know people who have refused to pay the excise tax on their telephone bills. The phone company does not disconnect their phones, but does turn them over to the appropriate Treasury types, who then proceed to make life miserable for the individual claiming First Amendment protections. After all, that's their job. Do not engage in this activity unless you really want a war. Many people I know have been fighting for years, losing everything in the battle. Some feel that it is worth it. Fortunately for us, some similar type crazies dedicated their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honors to a similar cause about 211 years ago. Of course, they were patriots, while current day defenders of liberty are just crazy (right, left, pick a direction) wing loonies who desire to destroy our fine current situation of perpetual debt and impending slavery. The payment for transportation of information is not necessarily a tax, and even if it was a tax, would not be a violation of the First Amendment, as your rights to free speech are not being infringed. You may speak freely, publish (at your own expense), etc., but as soon as you use regulated services, your freedom meets a conflicting interest. This does not mean that you shouldn't let the FCC and Congress know how you feel about the issue, just that the enterprise in question is not off limits to the tax and spend crowd. As for what is frivolous and what is not, consider that the Supreme Court has repeadedly failed to hear arguments on our Constitutional monetary provisions. They do so, not out of lack of opportunity, but because the current economic system is founded upon an un-Constitutional power granted to the Federal Reserve. Article One, Section 8 gave the power to COIN MONEY to Congress, but withheld the power to print money (emit bills of credit). The power to emit bills of credit was originally part of the draft of the Constitution, but in the debate was removed - see Madison's Journal and other records of the Constitutional debates. Moreover, Article One, Section 10 forbade the states from coining money, emitting bills of credit, or making anything other than gold or silver coin a tender in payment of debt. Again, the power to emit bills of credit was debated in the convention, originally proposing that the power could only be execised with the consent of the US Congress, but amended (during the debate in convention) to be an absolute prohibition with the stated intention of "crushing paper money". Such facts are a matter of record, but the courts consider them frivolous - read inconvenient - at this point in time. Many Americans have been conditioned to believe that their courts work well, and that the Supreme Court determines what the Constitution says. This is not a conclusion drawn from the Constitution, but rather by John Marshall, an early Chief Justice, who, BTW was fond of the Alien and Sedition Laws. Rather, "He who has the Gold, makes the rules," or more correctly, he who has the gold, has the power to print money (usurped) to buy the politicians and judges who make the rules. Admittedly, some arguments are frivolous, many others are incorrect, but many arguments labeled frivolous by the government have not been discredited, but rather the courts have simply chosen to ignore them. If one does not believe another, or refuses to listen to another, does not mean that one has discredited another. Arguments should be judged on their own merits, rather than by the opinions of others, or of the press (or even by whether I can spell or not).