Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!columbia!rutgers!sri-unix!sri-spam!mordor!lll-tis!ptsfa!vixie!paul From: paul@vixie.UUCP (Paul Vixie Esq) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Propriety of non-AT&T code in BSD; another tip(1c) suggestion Message-ID: <670@vixie.UUCP> Date: Thu, 18-Jun-87 14:45:49 EDT Article-I.D.: vixie.670 Posted: Thu Jun 18 14:45:49 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 21-Jun-87 14:17:23 EDT References: <2071@emory.UUCP> <6947@mimsy.UUCP> <1075@bobkat.UUCP> <651@vixie.UUCP> <7073@mimsy.UUCP> <447@mtxinu.UUCP> Reply-To: paul@vixie.UUCP (Paul Vixie Esq) Organization: Vixie Enterprises, San Francisco Lines: 55 Keywords: rlogin tip cu PV = Paul Vixie (me) CT = Chris Torek EG = Ed Gould |PV> I'd like to post the whole [new version of tip]. Is this BSD-only |PV> code? | |CT> I think so. Was it in 32V? | |EG> Nope. It wasn't even in 4.1BSD. That establishes what I suspected: TIP was not written by AT&T. |PV> What are the licensing hassles if it is? Obviously if it's ATT-derived, |PV> I can only post diffs, but what about BSD-pure stuff? | |CT> It is my impression (note key word) that Berkeley does not care |CT> how much their stuff gets redistributed as long as it stays marked |CT> `this neat software is by Berkeley, and if you fund us, we will |CT> write code for your machine too' :-) . | |EG> The license between the Regents of the University of California and |EG> the party to which they supply a 4BSD distribution does not distinguish |EG> anything as to its origin. The UC license states that the licensee |EG> will treat *all* of the material received under that license *as if* |EG> it had been received from AT&T, under the terms of the licensee's |EG> AT&T source license. Redistributing it without sufficient care is a |EG> violation of one or both of those licenses. Can we have a little more discussion on this? There are other examples, more relevant to the world at large (since my TIP mods were a case of RTM anyway). What about Sendmail? I **know** there is no AT&T code in it; the IDA Sendmail Enhancement Kit makes Sendmail into a generally useful UUCP/Internet mailer, with lots of great nifties -- but you need the Sendmail source to install the patches. Sendmail is (was?) available for public FTP a while back, so that all those ARPA sites could get at the MX-record version. Was this proper, if BSD code has to be treated as AT&T code ("all reasonable protections...") ?? According to an article from John Gilmore a long while back, CSRG distributed a list of AT&T vs. non-AT&T files with the 4.3 release. I havn't seen this list, but it sounds like they (CSRG) are trying to move away from the "keep everything under the AT&T license" position. I have heard both Chris' and Ed's positions before. I think the entire UNIX community would benefit from some resolution of this issue. Can we have some more discussion? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW: I'm thinking about adding 'acucntrl' support to TIP. Anybody already done this, or have a reason why it ought not to be done? -- Paul A Vixie Esq 329 Noe Street {ptsfa, crash, hoptoad, ucat}!vixie!paul San Francisco ptsfa!vixie!paul@ames.ames.arc.nasa.gov CA 94116 paul@vixie.UUCP (415) 864-7013