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From: emrozek@ecsvax.UUCP (Ed Mrozek)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Reaction to thoughtlessness.
Message-ID: <3466@ecsvax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 30-Jun-87 01:23:49 EDT
Article-I.D.: ecsvax.3466
Posted: Tue Jun 30 01:23:49 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 4-Jul-87 18:19:43 EDT
References: <8097@brl-adm.ARPA>
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
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Summary: Yeah Yeah Yeah - POUND SAND

In article <8097@brl-adm.ARPA>, ultra!wayne@ames.arpa (Wayne Hathaway) writes:
> In his mail on "HELP WITH MAILX --- URGENT!" Ed Mrozek writes:
> 
>     As such, they would like to see secretaries manage the mail
>     for all of the people at a given site.  They hope to accomplish
>     this by generating an id for the site and then letting the sec.
>     do her thing.  I argue that she can do this by means of our
>     menu system.
> 
> Now I am not a particularly strong advocate of women's rights, and
> am in fact AGAINST such cruft as "affirmative action", but things
> like the above just absolutely drive me up the wall!  I am sure that
> Mr. Mrozek did not MEAN to categorize all secretaries as "she", but
> nevertheless he DID it.  Subconscious sex discrimination is no better
> than overt discrimination!  (And by the way, I seriously doubt that
> this is a case of knowing that all the secretaries are in fact female;
> the original posting alluded to users being "scattered over the entire
> state at roughly 160 sites.")

Now listen,  I have posted several articles that have touched on this sensitive
area.  I do not discriminate! Period! Over! Did you get that?  Several times 
I have asked that that discussion be carried on in other groups where it is
of interest (don't take that out of context). 

Now let me put you straight.  I DO KNOW THAT ALL THE SECRATERIES THAT I DEAL
WITH ARE FEMALE.  That includes those at all of the 160 sites that I mentioned.
I know this because I also manage the processing of all personnel and 
affirmative action data for my organization.  Also, I don't think that you
will find an organization that is as careful about discrimination as the 
organization I am associated with; and that care is expressed by
all of the employees, including myself.  

Now to the point.  Who was thoughtless? Me for refering to a group
using the appropriate pronouns for their gender, or you for thinking
that you know the user community that I am dealing with?  

Lastly, and I do hope that this is the last of this foolishness, I do
not want to be responsible for wasting bandwith, time, energy, money
or any other commodity the will be consumed by furthering this
discussion.  There are many other news groups where this discussion is
appropriate and there are many others where this topic is being
covered in raging discussions.  I suggest if you have that stake to
pound, go pound it there.  If you feel you must scold me, spare the
rest of the community and do it by mail.

Thank you all in advance.

Ed Mrozek
Extension Specialist
Supervisor Extension Computer Services
Box 7626
North Carolina State University
Raleigh, North Carolina 27695-7626

These comments are my own.  If you want them, take them and good l> th#!
> 
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