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Subject: Re: Here we go again...
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Date: Mon, 22-Jun-87 17:46:14 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jun 22 17:46:14 1987
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	I'd thought we'd gone through all this once before.  Anyways...

	In article <> Karl.Kleinpaste@cbstr1.att.com writes:

		>No, thanx; give me the naked mouse hits any day.

	This will lose big in certain situations, such as when windows are
	larger than the screen, the root window is occluded, the screen
	context obscures your "grow boxes", and so on.

	Of course, since X allows you to run multiple window managers
	concurrently, you can always use xnwm when you've got a Dr. Pepper in
	your hand and uwm when you have both hands free. :-)

	--Mike


I don't know about "we", I know *I've* been through this, and I am
continually annoyed by the fact that if I allocate "naked" mouse clicks
for de-iconify, I lose them for ALL applications, ALL the time. THIS IS
ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR.

It *is* possible, with a little bit more work, to make your window
manager context sensitive. This allows "naked" mouse hits to be
meaningful in the root, and in icons, while not superseding them for
applications. This provides the best of both worlds.

Furthermore, in X11 it is possible to make "naked" mouse hits
meaningful to both the application AND the window manager in the same
window. Of course it means the window manager writer needs to be more
careful in the design and implementation of the window manager, but it is doable.

MOUSE BUTTON GRABS ARE EVIL. They should be used with utmost care and
only when ABSOLUTELY necessary.

	-- Charles