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From: mike@turing.unm.edu (Michael I. Bushnell)
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Subject: Re: EndOfSourcesList+AnnouncementOfNetOmbudsman
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Date: Tue, 30-Jun-87 18:43:33 EDT
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After reading the recent post by spaf@gatech (Gene Spafford), one
overriding thought occurs to me:

	Why don't they change the postings to net.announce.newusers to
reflect the way the backbone sites do things?

I think the real problem is that news.announce.newusers doesn't say
anything about big bills, backbone sites doing what they want, etc.
All it says is that to create a group, one should post a message in
news.groups, and two things happen.  First, the merits and
disadvantages of the group get debated in news.groups, and second,
people mail votes to the proposer of the group.  The proposer, if he
gets enough votes (~60 is a common figure), should approach his SA and
get the group created.  Nothing in the entire news.announce.newusers
says anything about the backbone's power to veto a group.  As Mr.
Spafford so well points out, alternative groups die quickly when space
gets low, so, by and large, the decisions of the backbone are
respected by the majority of sites.  

I am not debating the merits of having unmoderated source groups or
anything like that.  I am just suggesting that whoever administers
news.announce and news.announce.newusers put in a note about how
things REALLY work and not how they worked five years ago.


					Michael I. Bushnell
					a/k/a Bach II
					mike@turing.UNM.EDU
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