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From: sl@van-bc.UUCP
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Subject: Re: uunet access from Canada
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Date: Sat, 4-Jul-87 04:30:51 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jul  4 04:30:51 1987
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Reply-To: sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne)
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In article <1477@ncc.UUCP> lyndon@ncc.UUCP (Lyndon Nerenberg) writes:
>
>WHY do we have to bend over and grovel to the almighty americans?

Last I heard it was called USenet :-)

I don't consider it grovelling. The fact is if you want to restrict yourself
to the can. groups, or only articles generated in Canada, you'll get pretty
bored (Brad Templeton, David Sherman and Henry Spencer aside).

This actually happened to us the west coast in February. Alberta lost their
ihpn4 link. Feed went from a pretty consistent 1MB of compressed feed per
day to a handful of articles filtering in from back east. Pretty boring 3
weeks!

I simply want to get the lowest cost access to the news, and mail.

>
>WHAT is to stop us from setting up a Canadian uunet?

Nothing. I just don't think that it's a) neccessary or b) cost effective.

What is stopping us from using UUNET? Perhaps you're falling prey to the
Not Invented Here Syndrome.

>Is anyone from /usr/group/toro -- I mean /usr/group/cdn listening?
>If USENIX can sponsor this in the US, I see no reason why the
>Canadian /usr/group's can't get together and do the same.

I think that /usr/group/cdn could definitely help us to encourage Tymnet to
implement the appropriate rate structures. This will cost them only a little
time and energy. Setting up a site like UUNET will involve a substantial
commitment of $$$. Usenix guaranteed $39,000 US for the first phase of
UUNET.

Two questions: 

	a) does /usr/group/cdn have $39,000 US
	b) is there enough traffic in Canada to justify such an expenditure.

Personally if someone wants to setup a UUNET in Canada with a similiar array
of services at a similiar cost to what UUNET is charging in the US I'm all
for it. It would also be nice if this was done sometime in the next couple
of months, even this year. Think we can move that fast?

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{ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision,uunet}!van-bc!Stuart.Lynne Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532