Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!gatech!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!hplabs!ucbvax!jade!violet.berkeley.edu!era1987 From: era1987@violet.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: soc.women,news.misc Subject: }I'm still here. Message-ID: <3995@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Thu, 18-Jun-87 12:28:19 EDT Article-I.D.: jade.3995 Posted: Thu Jun 18 12:28:19 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 22-Jun-87 01:59:49 EDT Sender: usenet@jade.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: era1987@violet.berkeley.edu () Distribution: world Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 70 Keywords: AbdulRahman, soc.women, credit card, Nazis, pronouns Xref: mnetor soc.women:4898 news.misc:601 I have contacted the B'nai Brith Anti-Defamation League regarding the sadistic personal attacks on me by AbdulRahman Dennis Lomax of the Well (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link). My relatives died in the gas ovens and death camps of Nazi Germany, and I never told AbdulRahman that I would work for Nazis--in fact I had no idea that the Well was a fascist propaganda organ when I signed up. They fraudulently advertised as a free speech, public access BBS. As for my "disappearance," from places where I am subjected to sadistic personal attacks, when AbdulRahman made sadistic attacks on me in public conferences on the Well, I retreated to my own conference, when AbdulRahman attacked me in my conference, and refused to leave at my request unless I issued a formal banning statement, in which case AbdulRahman threatened to sue me, I retreated to a private conference, but I never threatened to sue the Well, as AbdulRahman has many times, and I didn't "disappear,"-- they pulled my password. I do not, however, have any obligation to remain anyplace where I am subjected to sadistic personal attacks. As to my having a credit card, yes, I have a credit card. Unfortunately, I was the only single woman without children at home on the Well at that time, and AbdulRahman who claims to have been married more than once, has several children, and is apparently behind in child support, made strenuous efforts to get me to turn over my credit card. I don't care if AbdulRahman makes sadistic attacks on me on every BBS and network in the world, I will *not* repeat NOT turn over my credit card to AbdulRahman and that's final. As for pronouns, when you refer to a glass in Spanish as el vaso, you use the masculine or inclusive pronouns because the word vaso has a masculine or inclusive ending and pronouns follow the noun, not because glasses have penises. And when you refer to a cup as la taza, you use the feminine or diminutive pronouns because the word taza has a feminine or diminutive ending, not because a cup has a uterus and ovaries. I have been told by people still on the Well, that AbdulRahman is continuing to make personal attacks on women there, and that they don't dare pull AbdulRahman's password because of AbdulRahman's threats to sue them. Obviously they can and do control what people say, since they did pull my password. Obviously, if the threat of a law suit will stop them, I did not threaten to sue them as AbdulRahman has on several occasions. Moreover, Well hosts get free time, in return for which they are asked to be courteous. AbdulRahman has never been courteous and has never been required to abide by host rules. As far as I know, AbdulRahman continues to get free time because AbdulRahman does not have a credit card and cannot pay for connect time on the Well. I hope that someday soc.women can become a moderated group so that netiquette can be enforced and personal attacks not permitted. But I would not like to see a man or an anti-feminist woman host soc.women. Even AbdulRahman admitted that the federal courts granted me the right to my name and to equal terms of address, but it is obvious that AbdulRahman does not respect the laws of this country any more than AbdulRahman respects netiquette or Well rules. I apologize for posting this to the world, but since the defamation about me was posted to the entire world, I feel that I must post my response accordingly. I waited until my anger had subsided, but it will never completely disappear until the personal attacks on me cease and that may never happen. I'd like Sherry, Pat, aMAZon, Ellen Eades, Cheryl, Valerie, or any other of the strong feminist women in soc.women to moderate the group, and I hope that a woman who is more concerned with equal rights than with forcing women to conform to the traditonal oppressive role society has historically imposed on women, will volunteer to moderate soc.women, so ad hominem attacks and postings not of concern to women could be refused and therefore would have to be posted to soc.men. Too many women have left the net due to the hostile atmosphere in soc.women. If we are to encourage women to enter the male-dominated field of telecommunications, we will have to make it a less hostile place. --Mark