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Subject: Re: A Canadian Unix Network?
Message-ID: <1987Aug7.170858.12079@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu>
Date: Fri, 7-Aug-87 17:08:58 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug  7 17:08:58 1987
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In article <859@looking.UUCP> brad@looking.UUCP (Brad Templeton) writes:
# 
# Are you saying that you would lobby the CRTC to *force* carriers to provide
# us with lower rates?  (Or are you saying that the CRTC's permission is
# required to charge lower rates?)
# 
Both,  the carriers would have to be convinced that it would be in their
best interest to lower rates, which is not as impossible as it sounds, and 
you would have to convince Adre Bureau and company (read CRTC) that a new
late night tarrif would be good for everyone concerned, which might be a 
little harder.

Also Brad, the CRTC regulates all inter-provincial rates and intra-provincial
rates in Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia.  Not to mention cross border
tarrifs as well.

# If the former, you can bet that several people on the net would be the
# first in line to present counter claims to the CRTC.  I have no desire to
# communicate through at net that is hated by the carriers who move the
# data.  It's not ethical.  If there were free trade in the telecommunications
# area, we wouldn't have to worry much about this, though.
# 
Yep your right, but you would probably have more worries about flaky service.
Remember, in data communications there is already competition, the competition
is CNCP and I wish I could say that their marketing reps had as many goodies
to offer as Telecomm Canada, but they do not.  I'm not sure Brad that free 
trade is just great as you make it out to be.

# I have good hope for convincing the carriers to sell night service cheaply
# of their own free will.  You must present it properly, though.  Prepare an
# estimate of the data traffic (it will be large) and go to the offices
# of these places requesting a bid (not a quote) for high-volume late
# night traffic (news) in combination with lower volume daytime traffic
# (mail).
# 
I will however, be standing there beside you in your arguments to the carriers
why they should give us a similar rate that Tymnet gives to Usenix in the
states.  Those Tymnet rates will be very convincing to both Telecom Canada and
the CRTC.

# 
# >If it is  possible  to  reduce  the  telecommunications  component  of
# >usenet,  there would be no real reason to institute a special Canadian
# >edition of uunet.
# 
# Actually, one of the biggest advantages of a uunet scheme is economies
# of scale in administration.  In particular, only one site need keep
# up to date routing information.  Also, a more logical addressing
# scheme can be devised that is independent of changing physical
# data links.
# 
The cost of providing a machine is a insignificant matter.  The real problem
is getting people to help in the maintenance of a Canadian Usenet node or nodes.
Eg. If the tarrifs are there, then a Canadian uunet will quickly be 
established.  However I still think that we should still looking to a 
Canadian Internet to solve out communications problems.

# -- 
# Brad Templeton, Looking Glass Software Ltd. - Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473


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			 	Taras Pryjma 
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Ok then, It's settled.  I will have my computer call your computer and work
it all out.  .......   But wait ...... it won't do any good, never mind.