Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!topaz.rutgers.edu!ron From: ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Public Digital Radio Service wireless modem proposal Message-ID: <14102@topaz.rutgers.edu> Date: Thu, 20-Aug-87 15:00:52 EDT Article-I.D.: topaz.14102 Posted: Thu Aug 20 15:00:52 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 22-Aug-87 11:14:47 EDT References: <2788@hoptoad.uucp> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 39 > Hams work hard to keep others out, so there will be more > frequency spectrum for them to use, and they actively spy upon and > report (to the Feds) violations of the mickey-mouse rules they operate > under. This is a gross mistatement of the ARRL OO procedure. I should also point out that the mickey-mouse rules were what were established to justify the FCC allocating the frequency spectrum to the amateur service to begin with. Note the willingness of the FCC to expand service to lesser controlled "Citizen Band" allocationgs. > It's in fact illegal to go faster than 9600 baud over > ham radio in the United States. This is untrue. > 56Kbit modems are a research project at a few places, like > Linkoping University in Sweden; Stanford; and at Tucson Amateur Packet > Radio. 56KB packet is not easy. Just look how much money that various places are getting for even the "low-cost" packet radio for the government. These things are costing upwards of $50,000 dollars a piece. > As explained above, the ham fraternity knows nothing about networking. > This is why they are using very lossy links, but with protocols where > acknowledgement and retransmission only happens end-to-end. This data > is being relayed at a maximum of 1200 baud -- HALF DUPLEX A CMSA channel is by necessity half-duplex. The low speeds are more due to cheapness rather than lack of network ability. Think of your ethernet. Generally the FCC and large portions of the existing community is living in the past (and frequently when they do sally into the cutting edge the screw it up) but a lot of John's comments are emotional gibberish that don't even apply to the existing FCC regulations. To act like this makes you no better than the existing old-fart ham ragchewers. -Ron