Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rochester!cornell!uw-beaver!mit-eddie!bloom-beacon!mit-hermes!iuvax!bsu-cs!dhesi From: dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: What a dongle is (Was Re: Copy protection: boycott it!) Message-ID: <912@bsu-cs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 31-Jul-87 18:23:59 EDT Article-I.D.: bsu-cs.912 Posted: Fri Jul 31 18:23:59 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 2-Aug-87 06:27:27 EDT References: <6965@ism780c.UUCP> <1193@killer.UUCP> <776@cod.UUCP> Reply-To: dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana Lines: 48 Keywords: licensing vs purchase; reasonableness Summary: Too much misinformation here The amount of misleading information here is surprising. In article <776@cod.UUCP> rupp@cod.nosc.mil.UUCP (William L. Rupp) writes: >Software is copyrighted, as are books. Well, software that bears a proper copyright notice is copyrighted. It's not clear that "Copyrighted as an unpublished work" in a published work is a proper copyright notice, since it contradicts reality. >I don't >like a lot of the details of software licensing, but I recognize that >nobody would bother to create software if the licensing protection did >not exist. Not true. Copyright law is very strong today. If software is properly registered with the US Patent Office, and if it bears a proper notice, copyright law even promises to compensate the copyright owner for attorney's fees in a successful lawsuit. Copyright violations are a criminal offense. The penalty can be up to $50,000 for *each* violation. If you have a good enough case, the FBI will investigate it. This is far more than a shrink-wrap license agreement could ever do, even if it could be shown to be enforcible. Violation of a software license agreement is a private matter between the two parties, so it's a much weaker thing as far as enforcement goes. The people who write the shrink-wrap license agreements know perfectly well they are worth nothing. That is why they always try to back them up with a copyright notice. With a proper binding license agreement the copyright status of the software is irrelevant. Unfortunately a lot of people will believe anything they see printed, especially if it has an impressive title like "LICENSE AGREEMENT". I think what has happened is that the software industry developed so suddenly that there were not enough lawyers around who had expertise in the field. The result was a scare created by these lawyers who were novices in this field, which led to paranoia amongst the software publishers. This led to these unenforcible license agreements. Now your typical software publisher's lawyer isn't about to say, "Gee, what a silly thing I did, the shrink-wrap license agreement I wrote up for you is meanignless, and you wasted a lot of money paying me for it." On the other hand, your naive average consumer is taken in by the license agreement, and doesn't bother contesting it even if he can afford to do so. Thus the myth is perpetuated. -- Rahul Dhesi UUCP: {ihnp4,seismo}!{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!dhesi