Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!columbia!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!QUABBIN.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM!DCP From: DCP@QUABBIN.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM (David C. Plummer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: IBM TCP. Message-ID: <870803092021.7.DCP@KOYAANISQATSI.S4CC.Symbolics.COM> Date: Mon, 3-Aug-87 09:20:00 EDT Article-I.D.: KOYAANIS.870803092021.7.DCP Posted: Mon Aug 3 09:20:00 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 4-Aug-87 02:03:15 EDT References: <171500006@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 30 Date: 31 Jul 87 16:30:00 GMT From: uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!sandrock@a.cs.uiuc.edu DECnet uses the node address to set the least significant 16 bits of the 48-bit Ethernet hardware address while setting the most significant 32 bits to a "known" constant value. Specifically, the Ethernet address will be AA-00-04-00-xx-xx, where the xx-xx fields are the DECnet node address (area-number * 1024) + node-number. There may be both certain advantages and also disadvantages to this approach, but is it true that these addresses are not globally unique? Mark Sandrock, (sandrock@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu) The DECnet scheme "only" allows 64K hosts, or probably more precisly, only 64 areas. I would be quite surprised if there are only 64 installations of DECnet in the world. Therefore, if we assume that people conventionally number node within an area starting with 1, then there is likely a global non-uniqueness between machines of two installations that have the same area number. I have no idea how DECnet area numbers are assigned. The major disadvantage is that if ACME Computers (read: some other vendor) also used an algorithmic approach, it would be impossible, 100% impossible, for a machine to be able to support both protocols at once on one transciever, since it would require the transceiver to have two Ethernet addresses. Such multi-protocol machines do exist. Luckily, there is only one vendor that I know of (DEC) that uses an algorithmic Ethernet address. I'm pretty sure DEC knew about ARP in time; I'd have to get some ancient mail files off of tape to make sure.