Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!utcsri!utegc!lamy From: lamy@utegc.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.std.internat,sci.lang Subject: Re: Computers and human languages (was Re: What is a byte) Message-ID: <8708171253.AA21033@ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 17-Aug-87 08:53:31 EDT Article-I.D.: ephemera.8708171253.AA21033 Posted: Mon Aug 17 08:53:31 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 18-Aug-87 01:39:57 EDT References: <218@astra.necisa.oz> <142700010@tiger.UUCP> <2792@phri.UUCP> <6252@brl-smoke.ARPA> <479@sugar.UUCP> Organization: University of Toronto, AI group Lines: 25 Xref: utgpu comp.std.internat:112 sci.lang:1097 Checksum: 46202 In article <717@maccs.UUCP> gordan@maccs.UUCP (Gordan Palameta) writes: >French and German did not adapt to computers by dropping cedillas, umlauts, >and accents; instead we now have ISO Latin. Arabic has not adapted to I beg to differ. I have a cedilla in my name, and I can tell you that I have not seen it appear very often in computer output in the last 25 years. And that (was) in a part of the world that tries to be officially French. I used to use a CDC Cyber with a "shell" custom built to handle French. The system evolved over about 10 years, but that was only possible because the machine was so crippled in the first place (6 bit chars, no text processing utilities) that everything was made from scratch (even the Pascal compiler accepted accented identifiers). I find it somewhat ironic that the recently version of "ngrep" moves toward internationalization by trying to accomodate Japanese. I am quite confident that we will see a Japanese version of Unix before a French or a German one. Just by curiosity, a quick scan of my brain seems to indicate that English would be the only European language not to use diacritical marks, digraphs, or extra letters. (? - I mean something like the dutch "ij"). Jean-Francois Lamy lamy@ai.toronto.edu (CSnet,UUCP,Bitnet) AI Group, Dept of Computer Science lamy@ai.toronto.cdn (EAN X.400) University of Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 {seismo,watmath}!ai.toronto.edu!lamy