Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!ut-sally!utah-cs!utah-gr!stride!l5comp!scotty From: scotty@l5comp.UUCP (Scott Turner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Red's Dream (and the Leo Creation). Message-ID: <322@l5comp.UUCP> Date: Mon, 10-Aug-87 18:29:06 EDT Article-I.D.: l5comp.322 Posted: Mon Aug 10 18:29:06 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 14-Aug-87 04:47:38 EDT References: <344@io.UUCP> <3627@well.UUCP> <1080@gryphon.CTS.COM> <3656@well.UUCP> <978@pixar.UUCP> <19997@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: scotty@l5comp.UUCP (Scott Turner) Distribution: world Organization: L5 Computing, Edmonds, WA Lines: 61 Summary: OCPT isn't god! And WAY TO GO Pixar! In article <19997@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> robinson@renoir.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Michael Robinson) writes: >You couldn't make that stick in a meeeeliahn yeeers. Unless Leo had Doesn't matter, if Leo can't afford the legal talent to defend himself then they'll win by default. This is what makes playing with large corporations so much fun for small individuals. All the big guys need do is say "We've got lots of lawyers and money, better watch out or you'll get squashed." Witness Sony's recent crushing of that poor woman back east running a restraunt called "Sony's". >access to the mathematical descriptions used to describe the juggling >unicycle in "Red's Dream," there is not the slightest grounds for >copyright infringement. I refer you to the infamous Volkswagon ad Incorrect, if they filed for protection of their on-screen artwork under a copyright then they WOULD have grounds. >bouncing ball by everyone from Atari to Radio Shack. Most of all I refer >you to the publications of the Office of Copyrights, Patents and >Trademarks, which are the final word in this matter. Incorrect again. They are NOT god in this case, the courts are. There have been many cases where this office has said "We will recognize the following XXX as being a valid copyright notice" only to have someone take such a case to court and have the court rule that the LAW (<--- notice that crucial word there) only recognizes certain CLEARLY stated notices. And last I looked these were: Copyright, Copr., c inside a circle. Note that (c) is NOT on that list. If the LAW has been amended to include (c) please let me know. But the OCPT has lost too many times for me to take their judgements on what is and isn't a valid copyright seriously. The LAW lays it out quite nicely thank you and is the key to any court battle, NOT what the OCPT thinks. >The only conceivable protection you have in this case is if you were to >apply for, and get, a design patent on juggling unicycles. I don't know See above comment about copyrighting the on-screen artwork. >>A lot of people, yours truly included, put in a long summer >>of 80 to 90-hour weeks to make "Red's Dream", so you'll forgive us if we're >>protective of our baby. Thanks for your cooperation. I think this is the core of the whole issue. Seems Pixar is a bit miffed that the lowly Amiga in the hands of Leo may be seen as being a better animation tool than Pixar's own high priced stuff. And they should rightly BE concerned. I haven't seen either Red's Dream or Leo's clone of it. But from all the fuss over it, and ESPECIALLY PIXAR'S ATTEMPTS TO SQUASH IT (yes Pixar, you're the MAJOR force behind my thinking what I'm thinking!), that Leo must have done a pretty decent clone. And on pretty inexpensive hardware/software. And like I said, sure Leo was proud of his creation and sure the crowd loved it, BUT it has been PIXAR that has put the stamp of approval on it. (Way to go PIXAR! :) If nothing else Leo can now put this thing down on his resume "Yeah, I'm the guy that made a clone of Red's Dream on the Amiga that was so good Pixar had to squash it." By attempting to nail Leo Pixar is going to elevate him to a level that no matter what they do they'll lose. (except maybe if they hire him) ^^^^ For dem dat cares I got it right no? :) Scott Turner -- UUCP-stick: stride!l5comp!scotty | If you want to injure my goldfish just make UUCP-auto: scotty@l5comp.UUCP | sure I don't run up a vet bill. GEnie: JST | "The bombs drop in 5 minutes" R. Reagan "Pirated software? Just say *NO*!" S. Turner