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From: lishka@uwslh.UUCP (Christopher Lishka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: The Final Word
Message-ID: <255@uwslh.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 18-Aug-87 11:38:34 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 18 11:38:34 1987
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In article <328@l5comp.UUCP> scotty@l5comp.UUCP (Scott Turner) writes:
>[...]
>By shaking lawyers in yer face Pixar has clearly shown that they don't want
>to risk your hand being proven the better. If they had you by the short
>one's you'd be in court.
>
>How to react? If Pixar doesn't wish to make copies of Red's Dreams
>available to me then I guess I fight back the only way I can. I slap on
>restrictions in the copyrights on my works that keep Pixar from being able
>to use them. They won't share with me, why should I share with them? Fairly
>simple logic.
>
>[...]
>Sad sad sad damn state of affairs.

	I must agree (for the most part) with everything which Scott
Turner has stated in his article.  What seems to me to be at issue
here is a larger corporation stepping on a smaller person, using
lawyers as the weapon.  I know that Leo copied his demo from [certain
unnamed graphics corporation here], but when will we ever get to see
either of them now?  I finally was able to see "Andre and Wally B." a
few months ago...and a smidgeon of Luxo Lamps (pretty nifty images, if
I do say so myself)...at an animation festival.  However, I am able to
see many other animated shorts easier.  If they want to use their
demos only for business, well that is their business I guess.  I just
don't want them EVER using anything of mine for anything that sells
their machines (not that my prgramming would be remotely useful to
them...it wouldn't, but I think you get my point).

	However, the issues at hand are beyond logical
'rationalization' (just another four-letter word :-).  I think that
what is at stake here is now too emotional, and at the risk of
offending others, maybe we should continue this over e-mail.  I have
blown up with anger over what I perceive as a human issue, but I must
apologize for doing through netnews.  It was more a cry for a more
human approach to the world than anything to do with comp.sys.amiga.

>To Pixar, if yall are going to make video tapes of Red's Dreams available
>please E-Mail me the details. I've just never seen ANY offers from Pixar to
>buy/rent/freebie anything, be it unicycles or Luxo lamps.

	As I said above, I have seen some of their stuff at an
animation festival, though not too much.  I've seen much more of
Apollo's demos, for better or for worse.  I very much agree that if
Pixar is going to keep its demos pretty much to itself that it should
not be too concerned (i.e. to the point of lawyers) with Leo's demo.
They will probably not be making the character(s) in Red's Dream
anywhere near as popular as Mickey Mouse, so any comparisons with the
latter are pretty useless.

>Scott Turner
>-- 
					-Chris


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