Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!husc6!cmcl2!rutgers!ames!sdcsvax!ucbvax!WALKER-EMH.ARPA!InfoMail-Mailer From: InfoMail-Mailer@WALKER-EMH.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <8708020847.AA13404@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 2-Aug-87 04:36:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8708020847.AA13404 Posted: Sun Aug 2 04:36:00 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 2-Aug-87 20:16:29 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 373 Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa28036; 2 Aug 87 4:33 EDT Date: Sun 2 Aug 87 00:38:00 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #64 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Sunday, August 2, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 64 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: SpartaDOS and FROST BASIC (800 Turbo BASIC). X-10 controller (aka BSR) Impending release of Kermit-65 Re: Impending release of Kermit-65 Sending bootable disks over USENET Re: SpartaDOS and FROST BASIC (800 Turbo BASIC). Undeliverable Mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: Info-Atari8@Score.Stanford.edu Subject: Re: SpartaDOS and FROST BASIC (800 Turbo BASIC). In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 30 Jul 87 12:28:35 -0700. Date: Thu, 30 Jul 87 20:32:55 EDT From: jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA Re:Owen Alexander's question, I haven't the faintest idea ("Keine Ahnung!", as the Germans say) whether or not FROST BASIC would be compatible with SpartaDOS. It of course does NOT use the RAM under the ROM since there is no such RAM on an 800. Also, it DOES boot up and appear to run, although I certainly haven't exercised all the features, with the standard 800XL O/S. You might possibly run afoul of some non standard O/S calls, but at least a lot of things will work. If you do run into such problems, using the OMNIVIEW O/S is a possible way to get compatibility (acts like the Translator Disk). However, at least one thing DOES NOT work right with OMNIVIEW, either with FROST BASIC or with Turbo BASIC XL: Fractional exponents like 2^.5 crash with "ERROR 11, OVERFLOW" as the error message. This does not happen with the Atari O/S. I never got around to fixing this bug but it should be possible, just a matter of finding where Turbo BASIC is calling the FP routines illegally and patching it. I'd say you have a fighting chance that it will run with SpartaDOS on an unmodified XL/XE. -John S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 87 09:32:32 EDT From: lazear@gateway.mitre.org To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Subject: X-10 controller (aka BSR) I need help with interfacing my 800 to an X-10 controller. I have bought the X-10 computer interface (from DAK for $20) that, like the older BSR, controls lamps and appliances by sending signals over household wiring. Once I got the cabling straight (add Pin 1 ground), I could receive characters from the interface, but they were not the correct ones (altho the quantity was right). The controller has the feature that when you press a button to turn on/off a lamp, the controller sends a message to the computer (to advise the computer what just happened manually). I am trying to read that message through my 850 interface (R1:). The message is supposed to start with 6 bytes of all-one-bits (i.e., 255), then 6 other bytes. What I read is a progression of 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128 and a few more bytes that *could* be correct. Has anyone else connected the X-10 controller and had any luck communicating? I bought the IBM version cuz it had a generic RS232 interface. I have looked at the BASIC code that came with it and it seems straightforward and usable as a model for my code (also in BASIC). I have set the 850 to Concurrent-I/O, 600 baud (what the X-10 says it needs), no parity, no "light translation", 8-bits, 1 stop bit. I have tried varying the speed from 300 to 4800, resulting in a changed pattern (and byte count), but no recognizable data. The power of 2 progression in the leading bytes vs. the 1-bits I am expecting seems an odd coincidence and I am trying to figure out why that occurred. It seems to me that if I can resolve why that happens, I can fix the rest. If you're still reading, I'd appreciate any help. Walt Lazear PS - I have another problem trying to use GET to obtain a character, when ALL values (0-255) are legal input. I've seen the old trick of putting 255 into the input register and waiting till it changes. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 87 10:29 EDT From: John R. Dunning Subject: Impending release of Kermit-65 To: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU I've been porting Kermit-65 from the Commodore world to the 800 environment, and am in the last throes of cleaning it up for first release to the net. (Maybe it'll satisfy some of the folks clamoring for PD terminal emulators...) The question of the day is: How would anyone like to see it posted? In its current form, there's two files, a binary executable of about 24K, and a doc file of about 32K. My preference would be to ARC them up, and distribute the uuencoded archive, but I don't know how many folk might find that inconvenient, or what other cosiderations there are. Also, it's arranged such that the loader for the RS232 handler is a separate load segment, which means you can use your own (mine's an 850). How many people are interested in the kermit module by itself, without the RS232 loader? Finally, is anyone interested in the sources? They're about 400K, so I'm certainly not going to mail them around, but something else can be worked our for anyone who cares. I'm amenable to any suggestions about how best to distribute the thing, but get your responses in soon, I'd like to get this out of the way by next week. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Aug 87 14:41:02 GMT From: aramis.rutgers.edu!knutsen@RUTGERS.EDU (Mark Knutsen) Subject: Re: Impending release of Kermit-65 To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <870731102911.8.JRD@GRACKLE.SCRC.Symbolics.COM> jrd@STONY-BROOK.SCRC.SYMBOLICS.COM (John R. Dunning) writes: > How many people are interested in the > kermit module by itself, without the RS232 loader? I am, and I suspect others are too. Lots of us are using interfaces other than the 850, and need to insert the appropriate R: handler to get things running. In my particular case, the SpartaDOS AT_RS232.COM file needs to be loaded to run the ATR 8000 as an R: device. --Mark Knutsen -- _________________________________ Jersey\\\\\\\\ _____________________________ ARPA: knutsen@rutgers.edu | \\\Atari\\\\\\ | GEnie GE Mail: M.KNUTSEN UUCP: {...}!rutgers.edu!knutsen | \\\\\\Computer | The JACG BBS: (201)298-0161 --------------------------------- \\\\\\\\\Group ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 87 16:02:42 GMT From: mtune!codas!novavax!potpourri!pkopp@RUTGERS.EDU (Paul Kopp) Subject: Sending bootable disks over USENET To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Here's a program I downloaded from a local BBS (PD of course). Its called "shrink". It takes a bootable disk and makes it into a file (compressing the data at the same time) for transfer via modem. There are all kinds of programs out there that do this but this one is my favorite. It's got some features others don't have. I have uuencoded the binary load file below. After a disk has been made into a file, it can be uploaded to a machine on the net, uuencoded, and sent over the USENET. 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To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <8707310032.AA20443@mitre-bedford.ARPA> jhs@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA writes: > You might possibly run afoul of some non standard O/S calls, but > at least a lot of things will work. > > If you do run into such problems, using the OMNIVIEW O/S is a possible way > to get compatibility (acts like the Translator Disk). However, at least > one thing DOES NOT work right with OMNIVIEW, either with FROST BASIC or > with Turbo BASIC XL: Fractional exponents like 2^.5 crash with "ERROR 11, > OVERFLOW" as the error message. This does not happen with the Atari O/S. This looks like a good place to recommend the Boss XL operating system chip for 800XL owners. It also acts as a translator, SpartaDOS runs under it, and I haven't experienced any stray bugs like those described above for OmniView. I have my Boss installed with a public-domain OS switch (Boss piggybacked on the Atari OS, little switch on the back of the XL selects which OS to use). Since the Boss has a built-in software coldstart, I can always recover the contents of a RAMdisk should the computer lock up. I simply switch operating systems and hit System Reset while holding Start down, then SR again. Machine reboots without powering down, and I can reinit the RAMdisk without formatting it. (yay SpartaDOS!) --Mark Knutsen -- _________________________________ Jersey\\\\\\\\ _____________________________ ARPA: knutsen@rutgers.edu | \\\Atari\\\\\\ | GEnie GE Mail: M.KNUTSEN UUCP: {...}!rutgers.edu!knutsen | \\\\\\Computer | The JACG BBS: (201)298-0161 --------------------------------- \\\\\\\\\Group ----------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 87 21:21 GMT From: InfoMail-Mailer @ Walker-EMH.arpa Subject: Undeliverable Mail To: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa00277; 28 Jul 87 17:17 EDT Date: Tue 28 Jul 87 09:50:39 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #62 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Tuesday, July 28, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 62 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #61 Turbo BASIC for the 800 ACTION ERROR HANDLING ACTOIN ERROR HANDLING ADDENDUM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jul 87 08:53:57 PDT (Monday) Subject: Re: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #61 From: "Hugh_E._Wells.ElSegundo"@Xerox.COM To: Info-Atari8@Score.Stanford.EDU In-Reply-to: Info-Atari8%Score.Stanford:EDU:Xerox's message of 7/27/87 Hi John, Yes, I would like to have a copy of the Turbo Pascal and will send a disk if you will post your address here or send it to me via slow mail. I'll post mine here so that we can correspond outside the net if you wish. Thanks, Hugh Wells ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari8 Digest ************************** ------- -------------------END OF UNDELIVERED MESSAGE-------------------