Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WALKER-EMH.ARPA!InfoMail-Mailer From: InfoMail-Mailer@WALKER-EMH.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <8708032219.AA10217@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 3-Aug-87 17:46:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8708032219.AA10217 Posted: Mon Aug 3 17:46:00 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 4-Aug-87 05:43:36 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 181 Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa02171; 3 Aug 87 17:23 EDT Date: Mon 3 Aug 87 12:59:30 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #65 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Monday, August 3, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 65 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Is anyone else upset at Tramiel? Re: Question for 800XL experts Re: Question for 800XL experts SHRINK Re: Is anyone else upset at Tramiel? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jul 87 21:32:55 GMT From: ptsfa!hoptoad!academ!uhnix1!nuchat!sugar!peter@ames.arpa (Peter da Silva) Subject: Is anyone else upset at Tramiel? To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Is anyone else upset at Tramiel submerging the best 6502-based micro on the market under a so-so 68000-based machine? It's nice to have all that extra memory, sure, but not if it makes the machine more expensive than the (ick) C=64? Is there any real advantage to the extra RAM in the 130 over the 800XL? -- -- Peter da Silva `-_-' ...!seismo!soma!uhnix1!sugar!peter (I said, NO PHOTOS!) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 87 13:56:34 GMT From: mtune!codas!novavax!houligan!pkopp@RUTGERS.EDU (Paul Kopp) Subject: Re: Question for 800XL experts To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu in article <7477@shemp.UCLA.EDU>, khayo@MATH.UCLA.EDU says: > > > (stuff deleted) > Now my main question: > what is the format in which the 800XL likes data to be stored on > tape? If it is the TI/99A-like FSK modulation, I could probably > write a trivial program that would force my Mac to simulate an > Atari output via a sound synthesiser & the speaker jack - I'd > then record this & send a cassette to my buddy. WOW...this sounds like _ALLOT_ of work. Before I started writing programs, I would try to convince my friend to buy a $35-$40 XM-301 modem for his Atari. You could then download binarys/text to your Mac and transfer them over to him. Anyway, to answer your question: (this stuff comes from _De_Re_Atari_) Ataris write fixed-length blocks at 600 baud (to tape). Two frequencies are used: 5327 hz. for a mark (or 1) and 3995 hz. for a space (or 0). A byte is defined by: 1 start bit (space) 0-7 data bits (marks and spaces) 1 stop bit (mark) Records should be written to the tape in the form of: 01010101 1st marker 01010101 2nd marker (markers are for speed measurement) control byte 128 data bytes checksum The control byte is defined as: $FC indicates the record is a full 128 byte data record. $FA indicates the record is a partial record (less than 128 bytes). $FE indicates the record is an EOF. NEED I SAY MORE? ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 87 22:26:22 GMT From: khayo@locus.ucla.edu Subject: Re: Question for 800XL experts To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Thanks a lot to all who responded to my question. I'm all set, having received lots of detailed data from at least two sources. I'll try to play with it, realizing very well that it would be much easier to simply get a disk drive for my friend (as for the option of sending stuff via modem: if you had anything to do at all with the Polish telephone system, you wouldn't say a single bad word about MCI & the like - so that's out. I mentioned in my first posting that the source of all problems is my friend's geographic location.) Thanks again - Eric ----------------------------------------------------------- I'm sick & tired of editing my incorrect address in the header. The *correct* one is khayo@MATH.UCLA.EDU; I have no connection with the CS Department, except that we breathe the same smog. ------------------------------ Posted-From: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu Subject: SHRINK Date: Sun, 02 Aug 87 22:32:37 EDT From: jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA The version of SHRINK.COM posted by Paul Kopp, like the previous one I got from someone else, did not work. I am beginning to wonder if it is I who need a SHRINK. The programs both downloaded OK, uudecoded OK, and... failed to load. The error message from DOS in both cases was 136, "Attempt to Read Past End Of File", which suggests that the original file has a problem with its load vectors. Has anyone else experienced this problem with the version of SHRINK.COM that was posted? Has anyone else successfully uudecoded and loaded it? Aside from all that, I STILL don't have a working SHRINK program or equivalent, so I am unable to post Turbo BASIC / FROST BASIC for those 800 owners who are eagerly awaiting it. Since we are THIS close to a way of posting it, however, I would like to urge someone to find a version of SHRINK or an equivalent program, test it, and e-mail it to me or post it. Better yet, uuencode it, uudecode it using my UUDECODE.BAS, and test the decoded version. If THAT works, then send me the uuencoded version and there is a fighting chance it will work at my end. If that fails, maybe we should ftp it? Heeeelllllpppp! -John Sangster / jhs@mitre-bedford.arpa ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 87 01:13:54 GMT From: ihnp4!ihlpe!daryl@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Daryl Monge) Subject: Re: Is anyone else upset at Tramiel? To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <436@sugar.UUCP>, peter@sugar.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: > Is anyone else upset at Tramiel submerging the best 6502-based micro ... There seems to be (based on the 16 bit traffic) plenty of reasons to be less than satisfied with some aspects of ATARI, but the cost of the 65XE compared to the C64 and the 130XE compared to the C128 is not one of them. When my old 800 began to bite the dust (~$900) I definitely went for the extra memory in the 130XE (~$125!). Ramdisks are very nice on the ATARI. You can use the extra memory for program/data space, but my guess would be that most use of the memory is for ramdisk. Daryl Monge UUCP: ...!ihnp4!ihcae!daryl AT&T CIS: 72717,65 Bell Labs, Naperville, Ill AT&T 312-979-3603 ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari8 Digest ************************** ------- -------------------END OF UNDELIVERED MESSAGE-------------------