Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WALKER-EMH.ARPA!InfoMail-Mailer From: InfoMail-Mailer@WALKER-EMH.ARPA Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.8bit Subject: Undeliverable Mail Message-ID: <8708101958.AA08262@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 10-Aug-87 15:48:00 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8708101958.AA08262 Posted: Mon Aug 10 15:48:00 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 11-Aug-87 05:37:19 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 564 Mail was not delivered to the following users because there were bad address(es) in TO and/or CC field(s): info-atari UNDELIVERED-MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from BBN.COM by WALKER-EMH.ARPA ; 10 Aug 87 19:41:08 GMT Received-2: from score.stanford.edu by BBN.COM id aa00642; 10 Aug 87 15:35 EDT Date: Mon 10 Aug 87 10:21:14 PDT Subject: Info-Atari8 Digest V87 #67 From: Info-Atari8 @ SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Errors-to: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Maint-Path: Info-Atari8-request@Score.Stanford.EDU To: Info-Atari8 Distribution List: Reply-to: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Text: Info-Atari8 Digest Monday, August 10, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 67 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: New Atari Products driver loader for atari 835 modem OR cheaper 850 replacement Re: More Info on CC8 Revised information about info-atari new welcome message Re: More Info on CC8 Re: driver loader for atari 835 modem OR cheaper 850 replacement Good news and bad news ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Aug 87 06:34:17 GMT From: ihnp4!chinet!cabbie@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Andrews) Subject: Re: New Atari Products To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <24@nancy.UUCP> conklin@msudoc.UUCP writes: - >Also, the 1200-baud modem was announced some time ago and we haven't >heard much since, so can we safely assume this is not coming out? I would not assume that at all. >Meanwhile, I kinda expected to see the new 8bit drive a lot sooner than >this, since Atari has been selling an "XL look" drive to go with it's >XEs and they _can't_ like that. Does anyone know where I can pick this >up as well? I'd like to retire my 810 to the kitchen with the 400 as a >local drive. no comment here as I don't know...have heard that the new drive is needed badly because 1050's are dwindling fast. >Please filter out any vaporware places. We've already discovered a few >advertising vapor-software and hardware who will take your money but >have nothing to ship. Any field comments on the quality of the 80-col >output versus "industry standard" 640 X 400 output on other mono-text >systems (IBM, ST) would be appreciated. I have a XEP80 here (got because of my developer status) and can say it is as good as any true 80 column display can get. One comment though... the XEP will support underline, inverse video, flashing, and graphics, but will not support any combination of the above. In other words you can't have flashing text and underlined text on the same screen. One character in missing in the XEP...the tilde! oops. -- ******************************************************************************* Any opinions expressed above are my own. Rich Andrews They can be yours too. Please send $19.95 to.....ihnp4!chinet!cabbie ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 87 13:00:05 GMT From: cbosgd!cblpf!cblpe!feb@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Franco Barber) Subject: driver loader for atari 835 modem OR cheaper 850 replacement To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu I've been using Chameleon with my 800 and an atari 835 modem, but now I'd like to switch to the new Kermit-65 that was just posted. I don't think this will work because the driver for the 835 doesn't get loaded when the system boots, a program has to cause it to be loaded (ie, it does NOT behave like an 850.) So, what I'd like to know is, does anyone have a driver loader for the 835 that I can 'prepend' to Kermit-65 to use it with the 835 modem? An even better question is: what the best alternative to getting a real 850 (they're what, $130 now? way too much) ? I'm not in love with the 835 and I'll switch at the first hint of a cheaper serial interface (no printer interface required, there's one in my disk drive ; anyone remember Trak drives? ) Anyone want to buy a lightly used, slightly useless (I mean we're talking 300 baud!) 835 modem. Comes complete with Telelink II cartridge. Works with version ?? (I forgot) of chameleon. -- Franco Barber AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio ..!cbosgd!cblpf!cblpe!feb (614) 860-7803 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 87 13:54:38 GMT From: decvax!watmath!swklassen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Klassen) Subject: Re: More Info on CC8 To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu In article <3682@cbterra.ATT.COM> smk@cbosgd.UUCP (Steve Kennedy) writes: > > o The compiler understands "left curly", "right curly", and > "tilde" (meaning whatever graphic or control character they > happen to map to in ATASCII). > Does anyone happen to know what these characters would be on the Atari? I would like to know so that I can redefine them on my text editor. Post any reply to the net or send directly to me. ------------------------------ Mail-From: G.ABRAMS created at 9-Aug-87 14:19:15 Date: Sun 9 Aug 87 14:19:15-PDT From: Info-Atari Moderator Subject: Revised information about info-atari To: info-atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU, info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU The WELCOME message for info-atari has been revised to reflect new status (or aspirations). Please retain this message in your files for future reference. The archives in directory info-atari on score.stanford.edu still exist; but I can't guarantee for how long. Older archives are in directory score/info-atari on labrea.stanford.edu . Note that Score runs under TOPS-20 and Labrea is a UNIX system. 1. Welcome _ _______ Welcome to info-atari. 2. Sending Messages _ _______ ________ You may send messages to all "subscribers" by address- ing it to info-atari8@score.stanford.edu and/or info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Administrative messages should be sent to info-atari{8,16}-request. Please do NOT send general messages to this address. Your moderators get enough mail as it is! 3. Ground Rules _ ______ _____ All messages should be in good taste. Commercial mes- sages and advertisements are not permitted. When answering a question, please consider carefully whether the answer should go to the whole list, or just to the person who asked the question. The following ground rules should make the use of this (or of any other) mailing list much easier: * never send a message that a totally irrelevant to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. This especially includes any expressions of irritation at another list member. * never forward a message that is totally irrelevant to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. * when replying to a message on a mailing list, reply only to the sender of the message unless the reply is of interest to the entire mailing list. * avoid inserting the message being replied to in a reply, especially in a message going to a mailing list. The context of the reply should be clear from *your* reply and from various mailer functionalities such as Message-ID. * when replying to an earlier reply that violates the previous rule, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT make matters worse by adding your own violation. 4. LISTSERV _ ________ LISTSERV provides a number of features which you can access by sending mail (note) to LISTSERV. Only the barest minimum are described herein. On Bitnet messages should be sent to your nearest LISTSERV (the one from which you receive the info-atari digests). (If your address is not on Bitnet, an address for file servers is given below.) All mail sent to LISTSERV contains command lines. LISTSERV will respond by return mail. No subject is necessary in such mail. For more information send the command INFO 4.1. List Names _ _ ____ _____ The list_name for 16-bit Ataris is INFO-A16. The list_name for 8-bit Ataris is INFO-A8. These list names are used by Bitnet addressees for subscribing and unsubscribing and by everyone for obtaining back copies of news digests. The list_names for programs stored in the archives are PROG-A16 and PROG-A8. 4.2. (Un)Subscribing _ _ __ ___________ If you are on Bitnet you may add or remove yourself from the distribution list. It would greatly convenience the moderators if you would do so when you no longer wish to receive digests. The command to join the list is SUBSCRIBE list_name User_name The command to remove yourself from the list is UNSUBSCRIBE list_name Note that the list was established with all user_names unknown. To enter your name, send a SUBSCRIBE command. It would be most convenient if users took care of their own subscribing and unsubscribing, but messages to INFO- ATARI-REQUEST{8,16}@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU will still be accepted. 4.3. File Server (Archives) _ _ ____ ______ ________ The following service is being installed beginning February 1987; we will announce when everything is in place and "known" to be working. All messages are in the archives. In addition, some contributed programs are also there. You can obtain copies of files from LISTSERV by sending a message in the specified format. If you are on ARPAnet (or gatewayed to it), your mail should be addressed to LISTSERV%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU To obtain a list of files in the file server, the com- mand is INDEX list_name The command to obtain a specific file is GET list_name file_name for example, GET INFO-A16 87-00076 If you want to learn more, send the message HELP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Aug 87 17:00:37 EDT From: abrams%community-chest.mitre.org@gateway.mitre.org To: g.abrams@score.stanford.edu Subject: new welcome message 1. Welcome _ _______ Welcome to info-atari. 2. Sending Messages _ _______ ________ You may send messages to all "subscribers" by address- ing it to info-atari8@score.stanford.edu and/or info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Administrative messages should be sent to info-atari{8,16}-request. Please do NOT send general messages to this address. Your moderators get enough mail as it is! 3. Ground Rules _ ______ _____ All messages should be in good taste. Commercial mes- sages and advertisements are not permitted. When answering a question, please consider carefully whether the answer should go to the whole list, or just to the person who asked the question. The following ground rules should make the use of this (or of any other) mailing list much easier: * never send a message that a totally irrelevant to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. This especially includes any expressions of irritation at another list member. * never forward a message that is totally irrelevant to the mailing list's purpose to a mailing list. * when replying to a message on a mailing list, reply only to the sender of the message unless the reply is of interest to the entire mailing list. * avoid inserting the message being replied to in a reply, especially in a message going to a mailing list. The context of the reply should be clear from *your* reply and from various mailer functionalities such as Message-ID. * when replying to an earlier reply that violates the previous rule, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT make matters worse by adding your own violation. 4. Archives _ ________ Archives are kept in several places in formats avail- able to everyone. As described below, if you are on ARPANET/DDN you will probably find it more convenient to retrieve files from the archive on radc-softvax.arpa using FTP. If you are not on ARPANET/DDN, or are unable to use FTP, you will be able to retrieve files from archives dis- tributed over several Bitnet hosts by sending mail (notes) to a program called LISTSERV. 4.1. Archives on radc-softvax.arpa _ _ ________ __ ____ _______ ____ Files from radc-softvax.arpa are available by FTP. FTP will work only for hosts directly connected to ARPANET/DDN. Please obtain local documentation and advice for the FTP user programming running on your host. There are two direc- tories under the anonymous account. One for atari8 and one for atari16. FTP to radc-softvax using login:guest and password:guest. To get the current list of available atari16 files do a 'get atari16/files.doc'. All of the atari16 files are stored in the atari16 subdirectory. If you need any other information, contact Marc Poulin. The archive is maintained by Rodney Peck (Peck@radc- multics.arpa) and Marc Poulin (Poulin@radc-multics.arpa or Archives@radc-softvax.arpa). 4.2. LISTSERV _ _ ________ LISTSERV provides access to files for everyone who can send mail, independent of their location. Note, however, that intermediate notes have been known to refuse to handle long messages or have damaged them in transit. LISTSERV provides a number of features which you can access by send- ing mail (note) to LISTSERV. Only the barest minimum are described herein. On Bitnet messages should be sent to your nearest LISTSERV (the one from which you receive the info- atari digests). (If your address is not on Bitnet, an address for file servers is given below.) All mail sent to LISTSERV contains command lines. LISTSERV will respond by return mail. No subject is necessary in such mail. For more information send the command INFO 4.2.1. List Names _ _ _ ____ _____ The list_name for 16-bit Ataris is INFO-A16. The list_name for 8-bit Ataris is INFO-A8. These list names are used by Bitnet addressees for subscribing and unsubscribing and by everyone for obtaining back copies of news digests. The list_names for programs stored in the archives are PROG-A16 and PROG-A8. 4.2.2. (Un)Subscribing _ _ _ __ ___________ If you are on Bitnet you may add or remove yourself from the distribution list. It would greatly convenience the moderators if you would do so when you no longer wish to receive digests. The command to join the list is SUBSCRIBE list_name User_name The command to remove yourself from the list is UNSUBSCRIBE list_name It would be most convenient if users took care of their own subscribing and unsubscribing, but messages to INFO- ATARI-REQUEST{8,16}@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU will still be accepted. 4.2.3. Accessing Program & Digest Archives _ _ _ _________ _______ ______ ________ All digests are in the archives. There is a separate program library. You can obtain copies of files from LIST- SERV by sending a message in the specified format. If you are on ARPAnet (or gatewayed to it), your mail concernin 16-bit Atari information should be addressed to LISTSERV%CANADA01.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU Mail concernin 8-bit Atari information should be addressed to LISTSERV%TCSVM.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU To obtain a list of files in the file server, the com- mand is INDEX list_name The command to obtain a specific file is GET list_name file_name for example, GET INFO-A16 87-00076 If you want to learn more, send the message HELP 4.2.4. LISTSERV Moderators _ _ _ ________ __________ The person to contact if you are having problems (un)subscribing is Harry Williams (harry@marist.bitnet). The moderator of the 16-bit digest archives is Peter Jasper-Fayer (sofpjf@uoguelph.bitnet). The moderator of the 16-bit program archives is Richard Werezak (carson@mcmaster.bitnet). The moderator of the 8-bit archives is John Voigt (sysbjav@tcsvm.bitnet). The modera- tor of the 8-bit program archives is Arnold de Leon (adeleon@hmcvax.bitnet). 4.2.5. Information Concerning 16-bit Archive Organization _ _ _ ___________ __________ __ ___ _______ ____________ The digests are numbered sequentially as they come in. Sometimes the files arrive here out of order, or with miss- ing ones, or with extra ones or with mail from BITNET users requesting information. Often the moderator has to logon to LISTSERV and re-name the files according to the "Subject:" line within it. Those "Subject:" lines are what end up in the indexes (in both "-A16" lists) The program files are largely extracts from the digests (INFO-A16). As far as possible, they are numbered the same as the digests they came from. Other programs were inserted somewhere in the list. The numbers of these "inserted" files were selected so that they would appear in the index at about the correct CHRONOLOGICAL sequence. If no programs were included in the digests, and nocontributions were received, then those spaces in the index numbers were left blank. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 87 18:11:27 GMT From: ihnp4!inuxc!inuxh!rmrin@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (D Rickert) Subject: Re: More Info on CC8 To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu > In article <3682@cbterra.ATT.COM> smk@cbosgd.UUCP (Steve Kennedy) writes: > > > > o The compiler understands "left curly", "right curly", and > > "tilde" (meaning whatever graphic or control character they > > happen to map to in ATASCII). > > > Does anyone happen to know what these characters would be on the Atari? > I would like to know so that I can redefine them on my text editor. > Post any reply to the net or send directly to me. Please post to net if you know. I also need to generate tildes and the 800XL is missing them. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 87 17:07:16 GMT From: mtune!codas!novavax!potpourri!pkopp@RUTGERS.EDU (Paul Kopp) Subject: Re: driver loader for atari 835 modem OR cheaper 850 replacement To: info-atari8@score.stanford.edu in article <596@cblpe.ATT.COM>, feb@cblpe.ATT.COM (Franco Barber) says: -> -> I've been using Chameleon with my 800 and an atari 835 modem. Same here! Version 4.03 to be exact. -> I'd like to switch to the new Kermit-65 that was just posted. I don't -> think this will work because the driver for the 835 doesn't get loaded -> when the system boots, a program has to cause it to be loaded (ie, it -> does NOT behave like an 850.) -> -> So, what I'd like to know is, does anyone have a driver loader for the -> 835 that I can 'prepend' to Kermit-65 to use it with the 835 modem? -> I've tried. Kermit-65 won't work with the 835 modem. I downloaded the 'bare' version of Kermit-65 and prepended the 835's "T" handler onto it with DOS (copy using the /a option). NO GO! It's too bad...it looks like a well written program. It loaded ok; I even managed to browse around and play with some of the functions (80 column screen, status, set, etc.). It didn't like it too much when I tried "connect." Oh well, someday I'll break down and invest in some kind of RS232 hardware and a REAL (I can't even set word size or parity) modem. Gould Inc., Computer Systems Division, in Sunny South Florida ** The opinions (if any) expressed are my own. ** Mail paths?, oh yea mail paths: ...!{seismo,sun,pur-ee,brl-bmd}!gould!pkopp ...!{ihnp4!codas,allegra}!novavax!gould!pkopp Remember: A path is just a thing that you have running between two shrubberies of slightly different heights. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 87 11:07 EDT From: John R. Dunning Subject: Good news and bad news To: Info-Atari8@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU The good news is that my post of Kermit-65 got out to the world intact, and seems to be going over pretty well. The bad news is that a couple of bugs (one quite serious; binary mode transfers are busted) have already surfaced. The question of the day: What's a happy medium between getting these bugs fixed in a timely fashion (desirable) and bombarding the net with 100K postings (not desirable)? I think my preference would be to wait a while before posting a revised version, in order to really get some things fixed. Assuming the concensus agrees, but some of you out there really need to get that binary bug fixed for the thing to be usable, I'd be willing to ship individual copies to people on request. As usual, any feedback is welcome. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari8 Digest ************************** ------- -------------------END OF UNDELIVERED MESSAGE-------------------