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From: jfb@vi.ri.cmu.edu.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: 386 rumors, questions, and comments
Message-ID: <1016@vi.ri.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 14-Aug-87 04:01:43 EDT
Article-I.D.: vi.1016
Posted: Fri Aug 14 04:01:43 1987
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In article <249@etn-rad.UUCP>, jru@etn-rad.UUCP (John Unekis) writes:
> In article <1014@vi.ri.cmu.edu> jfb@vi.ri.cmu.edu (John Brennen) writes:
> >
> >Second, I have heard that Sun is planning a 386-based machine.  If this
>
>  As far as I know, SUN has no plans to implement an intel based machine. 
>  This sounds like  a self-serving rumor started by Intel. The next SUN
.........
>  PC compatibility since, as far as I know, SUN would rather die than dirty
>  their hands with an intel chip.
> 
> >The problem is that a UN*X primitive like fork() is difficult to implement
> ....
> >"solution" (a 68020 with MMU) was unacceptable at the time, and restricts
> ....
>     This is a little like saying 'I bought a ford without wheels and I
>     couldn't drive it, so now I only  buy chevrolets.' 

First, who are you to say whether Intel is spreading rumors or whether SUN
would dirty its hands with an Intel chip?  Seriously, if you know something
I don't, tell me.  Is there an official SUN policy regarding Intel?  As far
as I can tell, you aren't affiliated with SUN...  (And I heard about the
SUN/4 weeks ago; something like 18000 Dhrystones -- wow!)

As for your other comment... totally inept analogy.  I must admit that I
invited it, mentioning the 8086 and the 68020 in the same paragraph.  Sure,
the 68020 is (in general) a better processor than the 8086.  But let's
compare the current technology -- 68020 vs. 80386.  I use 68020-based
Apollo systems regularly, and a Compaq 386 system daily.  I'll say that
I get much more productive work out of the 386.  Note that the 80386 can
do on-chip memory management akin to the 68020-family's MMU.

As one final, very opinionated comment, what the hell are people doing
bashing Intel on comp.sys.ibm.pc?  What the hell are people who despise
Intel doing reading this newsgroup?  I honestly don't understand why you
don't just leave us alone -- those of us who happen to use PCs for
productive work and who want a forum for discussing aspects of MSDOS
machines and their uses.  Go away.  Thanks.

	John Brennen
	CMU visual inspection lab

These are my opinions, and I'll be damned if anyone else tries to claim them.