Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!hplabs!hplabsz!dleigh From: dleigh@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM (Darren Leigh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: 386 rumors, questions, and comments Message-ID: <675@hplabsz.HPL.HP.COM> Date: Mon, 17-Aug-87 20:02:45 EDT Article-I.D.: hplabsz.675 Posted: Mon Aug 17 20:02:45 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 22-Aug-87 18:30:01 EDT References: <1014@vi.ri.cmu.edu> <249@etn-rad.UUCP> <1016@vi.ri.cmu.edu> Reply-To: dleigh@hplabsz.UUCP (Darren Leigh) Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Lines: 43 Keywords: protection sun machine Summary: incredible waste! In article <1016@vi.ri.cmu.edu> jfb@vi.ri.cmu.edu (John Brennen) writes: >As one final, very opinionated comment, what the hell are people doing >bashing Intel on comp.sys.ibm.pc? What the hell are people who despise >Intel doing reading this newsgroup? I honestly don't understand why you >don't just leave us alone -- those of us who happen to use PCs for >productive work and who want a forum for discussing aspects of MSDOS >machines and their uses. Go away. Thanks. > > John Brennen > CMU visual inspection lab So, everyone who uses an IBM compatible machine has to love Intel? Did it ever cross your mind that there are those of us out here who are spending lots of time doing PC development and still cursing IBM and Intel because of the junk we have to put up with? Do you realize how much development time is wasted because software is so hard to write-for/port-to the PC environment. Intel's segmented architecture and IBM's decision to use the 80x86 has probably set the industry back ten years. In my office I have a 68020 machine running Unix and an AT compatible running MS-DOS. Guess which one I prefer to develop on. In the next cubicle my coworker has an PS/2 Model 80. I've played with it. I've also seen and laughed at OS/2. Guess what I'd still rather work with. The 68020 box wins every time. My 68020 machine does multitasking and has virtual memory. Can any machine with an Intel processor do that? The Amiga does a nice job of multitasking (although no virtual memory) and all it has is a lowly 68000 with no memory management chip. I've seen multitasking kludges for IBM/Intel machines, but none that work as well as the Amiga. Sure there is a huge market for machines that use Intel processors, but can any informed person out there honestly sat that they are "better"? Darren Leigh dleigh@hplabs.hp.com DISCLAIMER: The preceding opinions are mine and may or may not be shared by my employers.