Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!husc6!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!tikal!phred!jeffp From: jeffp@phred.UUCP (Jeff Parke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: SE display bug survey results Message-ID: <1636@phred.UUCP> Date: Wed, 29-Jul-87 15:35:23 EDT Article-I.D.: phred.1636 Posted: Wed Jul 29 15:35:23 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 1-Aug-87 01:25:34 EDT References: <409@sdacs.ucsd.EDU> <1370@apple.UUCP> <421@sdacs.ucsd.EDU> Reply-To: jeffp@phred.UUCP (Jeff Parke) Organization: <421@sdacs.ucsd.EDU>o Lines: 35 Summary: Expires: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: Keywords: d.EDU> wade@sdacs.ucsd.EDU (Wade S. Blomgren) writes: >In article <1370@apple.UUCP>, ems@apple.UUCP (Mike Smith) writes: >> Have you put a straight edge of some kind next to the wiggling lines >> to see how much they wiggle? If it is measureable, then it would have > >As l poster of the survey and the responses, I though I would >reply to Mike. This same thought occured to me, and I performed the >'paper test' also. My original SE and the current replacement failed >miserably. These things Wiggle, with a capital W. I hate it. I am >Wade Blomgren >UCSD ACS >..sdcsvax!sdacs!wade I just did the test described, and measured the wiggle at various parts of the screen to be from 0.005 to 0.008 inches. I think what makes it visually annoying is that the wiggles of parts of the screen are out of phase with each other. Thus the total displacement of parts of the screen relative to each other will exceed these measurements. I can't think of an easy way to quantify that, but I can see qualitatively little "waves" of wiggle traveling down my screen. This suggests to me some noise on the CRT steering waveforms (yoke drivers) that is not random and perhaps at or near a fundamental frequency of the vertical refresh rate. I have an SE at work and a Mac+ at home. I sit in front of both of them (too much) viewing them at similar angles and under similar lighting. There is no question that the Mac + display doesn't give this odd kind of wiggle while the SE does. Other Mac+ and SE comparisons at work bear this out. -- {ihnp4!allegra!fluke , seismo!rutgers!uw-beaver}!tikal!phred!jeffp {Jeff Parke} Genie : JEFFP DELPHI : JEFFPARKE Disclaimer: Random coincidence finds official policy here.