Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!ji.Berkeley.EDU!carlton From: carlton@ji.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Carlton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Finder improvements Message-ID: <19940@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 3-Aug-87 16:51:58 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.19940 Posted: Mon Aug 3 16:51:58 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 4-Aug-87 05:12:52 EDT References: <19906@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> <4524@nsc.nsc.com> <6798@dartvax.UUCP> <4529@nsc.nsc.com> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: carlton@ji.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Mike Carlton) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 49 Keywords: Finder ms-dos unix Hello again: Things seem to have gone astray here. I posted my article trying to suggest possible improvements to the Finder. I would like them and hence it follows that everyone else would to :-). Unfortunately, I slipped and mentioned that dirty word UN*X. Now, I was NOT suggesting that we throw away the Finder and substitute the C shell. If someone wants that, tell them to go buy a Mac II and UN*X and get the real thing. The rest of us will stick to the Finder. What I did suggest was a couple little changes to avoid cluttering my desktop with 30 zillion windows whenever I run a program buried 30 zillion levels down. I know about option-open or whatever you call it, but that doesn't do me any good until after I've run the program. Maybe I want to look around first -- click-click "Sorry, can't open another window". In my mind these changes would reflect the current working directory idea of UN*X. Now, I like UN*X, but I understand that there might be 1 or 2 people out there that don't :-). I was trying (badly, I admit) to explain my rational, NOT to convert the Finder to csh. Whatever, can we move the ms-dos and UN*X argument to comp.ibm.kludge or comp.unix.haters or whereever? Please? Have no fear, the Mac will not give up the Finder. UN*X or ms-dos will not take over (unless you want them for YOUR personal machine -- you do have that choice now). Can we argue/suggest/criticize what the Finder X.X should look like and do? Don't bother telling me not UN*X or not ms-dos. I think we all agree on that. I vote that we need some (convenient) way to say "I want to open this folder and I don't care about its father anymore." Also, I want an easy way to say "open the father (or siblings) of this folder." Maybe I'm asking for useless stuff, if so tell me why and what I should be asking for. As to the comment about undocumented features -- exactly. What good is a text file if it is a pain to read it. Why should I have to dig out my last update disk and open README to see what 'command-option-stand on your left foot- double click' means? The Mac is suppossed to be friendly. Stuff like this can be useful (I think), but not if you don't know about it. How about something radical like a help window in the Finder explaining its shortcuts? Even the original Mac program (MacPaint) had this. cheers, mike (carlton@ji.berkeley.edu) If you have flames, let's not clutter the net, send them to /dev/null :-) If you have constructive criticism, let's hear it.