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Subject: Servant, Safeware, Thanks, "Expectations" and Mac C compilers
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Date: Tue, 18-Aug-87 04:39:13 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 18 04:39:13 1987
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Lots of small tidbits:
Many thanks to those that responded with info on Servant.  Seems .952 is
already out.  Also seems like I need to get more memory.  I tried to send
thanks by mail to everyone.  So far only one got bounced back:
dagl@tut.cc.rochester.edu .

Another persone asked for Safeware's address.  His mail also bounced, so:
	Safeware, The Insurance Agency
	2929 N. High St. 
	POBox 02211
	Columbus OH   43202

	800 848 3469 or 614 262 0559

Finally as the one that posted all the commments on Mac C compilers (they
ARE bad!), and that inadvertently caused the FLAME WAR, i wish to reply
to the long "imported flame" send by Paul Hilfinger...

	>> First I would expect an 80386 to run faster than a 68020
	>> at the same clock rate. The store overlap alone will improve things

I'd "exepect" the other way.  The IEEE citation that someone else posted about
a week ago tends to agree... and gives hard data rather than expectations.

	>>I quite agree that most compilers for BOTH classes of machines 
	>> are very poor. This is easy to understand, the compiler markets
	>> have largely been wrecked, and no company can make money selling
	>> high quality C compilers for the end user market. There are just
	>> too many people who want cheap compilers, so this is all the
	>> market can provide. My brother has always complained that he has
	>> a multi-million dollar investment depending on a compiler which
	>> costs $400. He has always said that he would be happy
	>> to pay 100 times that amount if it would really make a difference 
	>> insupport and quality.

This seems to me far from the truth and exactly what my code fragments
were meant to show.  Look at the code and the timings for some of the
PC compilers (say, Microsoft 5.0).  They are MUCH better!  And for
such a (ok folks, here it starts again, get your k-keys (rn) ready)
SHITTY microprocessor from the compiler writers point of view.

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