Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!ucla-cs!zen!ucbvax!zion.berkeley.edu!max From: max@zion.berkeley.edu (Max Hauser) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: TTL Questions Message-ID: <20036@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Sun, 9-Aug-87 09:33:47 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.20036 Posted: Sun Aug 9 09:33:47 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 9-Aug-87 21:52:39 EDT References: <7105@alice.UUCP> <764@sol.ARPA> <128@umich.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: max@eros.berkeley.edu (Max Hauser) Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 52 Keywords: TTL, pullups Summary: Watch out! In article <128@umich.UUCP> don@umich.UUCP (Don Winsor) writes: >In the recent discussion on TTL there seem to be numerous >recommendations to use a series resistor when connecting an unused >input to +5 volts. This is an unnecessary waste of a resistor, the PC >board space to mount it, and the foil trace to connect it. Can't we >finally give pullup resistors a decent burial? Unused inputs should >be connected DIRECTLY to the appropriate (+5 Volt or Gnd) supply rail! Speaking from a historical point of view, I humbly remind the net of the excellent reason for including the resistor with pre-Schottky TTL families. TI went so far as to publish an application note for the 54/74 series, explicitly admonishing against connecting inputs to the positive power rail under any circumstances. The reason is because standard TTL inputs, consisting of emitter diffusions in an NPN transistor, exhibit typical Zener breakdown voltages of 5.5 volts. Since standard TTL power supplies can be 5.25 volts within spec, a noise spike of 250 mV on the positive supply would be enough to break down the input and possibly damage the chip in the absence of a series resistor. If the Schottky families (where the inputs are isolated Aluminum-Silicon Schottky junctions) do indeed have a higher breakdown voltage, information I don't have at hand, then the resistor is unnecessary (although still harmless). Perhaps I am old-fashioned but I prefer stating the justification both for the original requirement of resistors and the contemporary waiver of that genuine need, so that people will know the reason why, not just follow commands. I should add that one never, of course, uses a resistor in series with inputs tied to ground, for current-sinking logic such as TTL families (of all kinds), since the major input current flows in the "low" state, causing a voltage drop that can cloud the logic "0"; and reverse junction breakdown is not an issue in that case. Also, one can indeed tie unused logic-gate inputs to used inputs; the penalty is an increased capacitive load to the preceding stage (not an increase in "AC noise", since (1) the dominant capacitance at each gate input by far is from package parasitics, not internal to the die and (2) two inputs being driven together causes essentially the same parasitic capacitive currents to flow in the driven chip as one input driven, for little real change in the AC noise picture). Respectfully, Max Hauser, UC Berkeley EECS Department, IC Design Group UUCP: ...{!decvax}!ucbvax!eros!max Internet (old style): max%eros@berkeley Internet (domain style): max@eros.berkeley.edu