Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!rutgers!ucla-cs!cit-vax!oberon!sdcrdcf!trwrb!aero!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: Definition of science and of scientific method. Message-ID: <3223@venera.isi.edu> Date: Fri, 17-Jul-87 11:26:54 EDT Article-I.D.: venera.3223 Posted: Fri Jul 17 11:26:54 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 30-Jul-87 06:40:21 EDT References: <6693@allegra.UUCP> <1664@tekcrl.TEK.COM> Sender: daemon@venera.isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu.UUCP (Stephen Smoliar) Organization: Information Sciences Institute Lines: 63 In article <813@klipper.cs.vu.nl> biep@cs.vu.nl (J. A. "Biep" Durieux) writes: >4) Philosophy starts with quarreling about whether God exists, then whether >I exist (some say the other way round - for "God" some read "anything at all"), >then whether an outside world exist, then how we should look at that world >(yielding things like epistemology, ethics, aesthetics, etc.), and, >choosing epistemology, which ways of getting knowledge are there and which >ones have which value. While I may be inclined, in most respects, to agree with this characterization of philosophy, I think it is worth observing that it is highly opinionated. Furthermore, it reflects an assessment of philosophy as it has come to be, as opposed to a historical perspective. For the latter, I feel it might be valuable to bring Bertrand Russell into this discussion by quoting from the final two paragraphs of Chapter IX of his A HISTORY OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY: Democritus--such, at least, is my opinion--is the last of the Greek philosophers to be free from a certain fault which vitiated all later ancient and medieval thought. All the philosophers we have been considering so far were engaged in a disinterested effort to understand the world. They thought it easier to understand than it is, but without this optimism they would not have had the courage to make a beginning. Their attitude, in the main, was genuinely scientific whenever it did not merely embody the prejudices of their age. But it was not ONLY scientific; it was imaginative and vigorous and filled with the delight of adventure. They were interested in everything--meteors and eclipses, fishes and whirlwinds, religion and morality; with a penetrating intellect they combined the zest of children. From this point onwards, there are first certain seeds of decay, in spite of previously unmatched achievement, and then a gradual decadence. What is amiss, even in the best philosophy after Democritus, is an undue emphasis on man as compared with the universe. First comes scepticism, with the Sophists, leading to a study of HOW we know rather than to the attempt to acquire fresh knowledge. Then comes, with Socrates, the emphasis on ethics; with Plato, the rejection of the world of sense in favour of the self-created world of pure thought; with Aristotle, the belief in purpose as the fundamental concept in science. In spite of the genius of Plato and Aristotle, their thought has vices which proved infinitely harmful. After their time, there was a decay of vigour, and a gradual recrudescence of popular superstition. A partially new outlook arose as a result of the victory of Catholic orthodoxy; but it was not until the Renaissance that philosophy regained the vigour and independence that characterize the predecessors of Socrates. I particularly like Russell's phrase: "an undue emphasis on man as compared with the universe." It seems to me (and I recently tried to express this in a review of EPISTEMOLOGY AND COGNITION) that the conceptual gulf which separates the sciences from the humanities is that the humanities place the emphasis on the "human"--what it is that makes man worthy of special consideration--while the sciences regard man as a component of the universe. Because they are, themselves, human, scientists do not consider this view as demeaning as humanists appear to, because they know that components are judged more by the roles they play than by the company they keep. However, I fear that as long as the humanities (and this, sad to say, includes most of philosophy) cling to their insistence that man be regarded as something special, there will continue to be this gulf between the "two cultures;" and as the sciences inquire more and more into the nature of mind, this gulf can only widen.