Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!mcvax!botter!hansw From: hansw@cs.vu.nl (Hans Weigand) Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.math.symbolic,sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: Russell's set of sets which... paradox Message-ID: <1551@botter.cs.vu.nl> Date: Tue, 4-Aug-87 08:34:53 EDT Article-I.D.: botter.1551 Posted: Tue Aug 4 08:34:53 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Aug-87 01:11:13 EDT References: <1404@cullvax.UUCP> <902@bsu-cs.UUCP> <4901@j.cc.purdue.edu> Reply-To: hansw@cs.vu.nl (Hans Weigand) Organization: VU Informatica, Amsterdam Lines: 43 Keywords: logic, paradoxes Summary: beware of self-referential logic Xref: mnetor sci.math:1741 sci.math.symbolic:118 sci.philosophy.tech:348 Expires: Sender: Followup-To: Distribution: In article <4901@j.cc.purdue.edu> ags@j.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Dave Seaman) writes: >(..) >The stone paradox can be formulated as follows: Assume x is an omnipotent >being. Let P(x) be the statement, "x can make a stone so big that x can't >lift it." Is P(x) true, or is it false? A little thought shows that it is >neither. > >What do we conclude from the contradiction? There must be something wrong >with the original assumption that there exists an omnipotent being. >Therefore no such being can exist. (..) I agree with you that P(x) has no reasonable truth-value. However, your conclusion is not warranted, since you confuse logic and ontology. What is the false assumption of the Liar Paradox? There is none, but its property of self-referenence makes it hard to manage for logic. This does not prove that there are no liars, etc, only that our logic falls short. The intentional object "a stone that x can't lift" is logically self-contradictory, given the assumption, just as "round squares" are. Therefore, in the world as we construct it (through our definitions and logic) such a thing cannot exist. Then it is useless to make ontological predications about such a thing (woruber man nicht sprechen kann, daruber soll man schweigen, Tractatus Wittgenstein). However, you think you can say something about it, because your omnipotent being is allowed to violate the logical norms. What your argument says, then, is that the concept of an omnipotent being may lead to logical paradoxes if we assume the omnipotent being may violate the logical norms. This seems pretty much a tautology. The moral of this may be: beware of logic when it refers (negatively) to its own principles. However, I do not see what ontological conclusion can be drawn from this. For a more extensive treatment of the power and limitations of logic, I may draw your attention to the works of the great Medieval mathematician and theologian Nicolaus Cusanus, in particular "De Docta Ignorantia" (Learned Ignorance). Kant will probably do also. - Hans Weigand Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam