Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!seismo!ll-xn!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!walton From: walton@tybalt.caltech.edu (Steve Walton) Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.philosophy.tech,talk.philosophy.misc,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: The mathematics of supreme beings - game theory Message-ID: <3475@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu> Date: Tue, 4-Aug-87 13:32:27 EDT Article-I.D.: cit-vax.3475 Posted: Tue Aug 4 13:32:27 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 6-Aug-87 02:41:27 EDT References: <1404@cullvax.UUCP> <902@bsu-cs.UUCP> <839@klipper.cs.vu.nl> Sender: news@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu Reply-To: walton@tybalt.caltech.edu.UUCP (Steve Walton) Followup-To: talk.philosophy.misc,talk.religion.misc Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 28 Xref: mnetor sci.math:1743 sci.philosophy.tech:351 talk.philosophy.misc:657 talk.religion.misc:3113 (I have cross-posted to talk.philosophy.misc and talk.religion.misc, with followups directed only to the latter two. Feel free to change this if net consensus is that this is happy in either sci.math or sci.philosophy.tech.) In article <839@klipper.cs.vu.nl> biep@cs.vu.nl (J. A. "Biep" Durieux) writes: >In article <902@bsu-cs.UUCP> dhesi@bsu-cs.UUCP (Rahul Dhesi) writes: >Perhaps two or three years ago, I read an article about a book in which >the author applied game theory to the (supposed) wishes of Supreme Beings, >like people choosing to follow Him, or to believe in him without coercion, >etc. The book is called Superior Beings, and is by Steven Brams, published by Springer-Verlag (sorry, don't have it here so don't have an ISBN). He uses as a starting point the self-description of Jahweh in the Old Testament and shows very neatly that you can arrive at various non-optimum results, in which (for example) the SB exists but the person chooses not to believe. Brams also attempts to model the implications of omniscience and omnipotence on SB's actions. I found it a fascinating book, and agree with Martin Gardner that it almost single-handedly revives a great intellectual tradition of applying rationality to human-God rleations, and that modern theologians cannot ignore it. Steve Walton, guest as walton@tybalt.caltech.edu AMETEK Computer Research Division, ametek!walton@csvax.caltech.edu "Long signatures are definitely frowned upon"--USENET posting rules