Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!uunet!husc6!rutgers!cbmvax!snark!eric From: eric@snark.UUCP (Eric S. Raymond) Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Submission for sci.philosophy.tech (Re: Scientific Epistemology) Message-ID: <120@snark.UUCP> Date: Thu, 30-Jul-87 19:27:54 EDT Article-I.D.: snark.120 Posted: Thu Jul 30 19:27:54 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 9-Aug-87 11:58:58 EDT Organization: Thyrsus Enterprises, Malvern PA 19355 Lines: 45 In article <2399@hoptoad.uucp>, laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton) writes: > Isn't that begging the question? What question? Beauty tends to be a good heuristic for what's *interesting* in pure mathematics, but it doesn't tell you what's true. In other fields the connection is even more tenuous. **PERSONAL OPINION BEGINS** What's really going on here is that we have a cultural prejudice that beautiful things are 'true' and vv. which we inherited from a particular school of Greek philosophers that was dominant in the city that happened to win the Aegean wars, so we edit our experience to conform to it. If the Ionians had won, this nonsense would have been in the dustbin of history for 2000 years. The cognitive experience from which these guys were overgeneralizing is that when you have an intuitive grasp on a complex system (like, say, the workings of a clepsydra in their day or a computer in ours), thinking about it is pleasurable (hence 'beautiful'). So the tendency to think "what's beautiful is more likely to be true" is a typical-for-philosophically-naive-Westerners misprojection of "I'm more likely to be able to solve problems with complexity I can grasp". Most other cultures don't make this mistake as much (but they've got characteristic blind spots of their own). **OPINION ENDS** >>we throw away a lot of information in making the exceedingly complex mapping >>from, say, falling cannonballs to F=ma. > >But why is the exceedingly complex mapping so beautiful? F=ma is not complex; >on the contrary it is very simple. awe inspiringly, beautifully, simple. See above. It's the confirmation-by-experience that *simple* F=ma can be used to predict the *complex* behavior of the falling rock that's the real "knowledge" here; F=ma is just marks on paper. Mathematics by itself is a zero-content system, both literally and figuratively meaningless (but fun!). The mapping is 'beautiful' only because it's now part of your intuition; was it 'beautiful' to you while you were struggling to understand dx/dt? No? I didn't think so...and it remains un-`beautiful' to people who don't grok elementary physics at least in Newtonian approximation. -- Eric S. Raymond UUCP: {{seismo,ihnp4,rutgers}!cbmvax,sdcrdcf!burdvax,vu-vlsi}!snark!eric Post: 22 South Warren Avenue, Malvern, PA 19355 Phone: (215)-296-5718