Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!utcsri!utegc!utai!ubc-vision!van-bc!sl From: sl@van-bc.UUCP Newsgroups: can.general Subject: Re: /usr/group/cdn/README -- Interim Newsletter Message-ID: <1340@van-bc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 17-Sep-87 04:16:53 EDT Article-I.D.: van-bc.1340 Posted: Thu Sep 17 04:16:53 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Sep-87 05:16:22 EDT References: <1987Sep8.024504.12276@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> Distribution: can Organization: Public Access Network, Vancouver, BC. Lines: 77 Summary: UUNET access information In article <1987Sep8.024504.12276@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu>, usrgroup@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Peter Renzland) writes: > bours to patronize UUNET, and I would like to make the information on how > to contact UUNET from Canada available to our members. Somebody please > send me details. BTW, thanks to all the people who've contributed to the You can access via Tymnet if you have a local connection. This will cost you about $12.50 / hr (Cdn) from 7:00PM to 6:00AM. You can also access via a long distance call. Depending on your rates and the time of day this may be more or less than Tymnet. On Tymnet you can use 2400 bps, and typically get about 450 kbs/hr throughput. On a direct call you can use 2400 bps, OR a Trailblazer at about 14kbps. Even if you are *only* using 2400 bps, you will still get much better throughput (presumably) than Tymnet because you won't have: - increased end to end ack delays due to network (this can be helped if you have a seven window uucico) - to compete with any other users for use of the one 19.2 kbps line from Tymnet to UUNET Telebit is offering the Trailblazers at a 50% discount to all Usenet sites in the US. They may do the same for Canadian sites. It might be worth bugging them or Telebit Canada if we're interested. Means getting it for about $1000 Cdn. You can try Mike Ballard at 1-408-996-8000. These modems will probably represent the absolute cheapest method of shipping data to or from UUNET (and probably anywhere else). UUNET claims to be getting effective throughputs equivalent to 14kbps. They have at least two of these modems installed, one on a normal phone line, and one on their (US) 800 number phone line. They will install as many as they perceive a need for. Of course if they are getting effectively six or seven times as much data pumped through them, they probably *won't* need to get to many :-) BTW reduced Tymnet charges seems to be a dead issue. Tymnet has basically refused to budge and is being *very* secretive about why. I gather it has something to do with not wanting to get the phone companies upset. Also, someone suggested at one point that the CRTC would need to ok rates for services like Tymnet. This is apparantly not true. The CRTC only regulates the primary carriers (Datapac, CNCP, etc). They don't do much with second level carriers like Tymnet and Telenet. Also there is apparantly a significant problem in the the CRTC is effectively only regulating the phone networks in BC, Ont, and Que. Apparently the provincially owned phone companies in the other provinces are not playing along. This means for example that although the CRTC says that the primary carriers MUST provide service to secondary carriers, Tymnet has been unable to get a phone line installed in Winnipeg. Tymnet access in the US is likely to become passe as well. UUNET is now offering 800 number service which is slightly more for access at night, but far cheaper for access during the day ($15/hr I think). And they feel that the costs might go down when alternative 800 number service is available from other long distance carriers (late this fall). Also if the FCC access fee gets put into place, the Tymnet fee for nightime access would more than double. Also if you have a Trailblazer you can pump a lot more data through a direct call in an hour than you can over Tymnet. I think that the Trailblazer modems might be an interesting way to set up a mail and news network in Canada. I'm ordering at least three for use at van-bc and two other local sites, as soon as I can convince them to give me the same price as US sites. Anyone else out there interested? -- {ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision,uunet}!van-bc!Stuart.Lynne Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532 -- {ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision,uunet}!van-bc!Stuart.Lynne Vancouver,BC,604-937-7532