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From: sierra@lll-tis.arpa (Frankie Sierra)
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Subject: Re: Is Computer Science Science?
Message-ID: <21714@lll-tis.arpa>
Date: Tue, 15-Sep-87 20:10:28 EDT
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Posted: Tue Sep 15 20:10:28 1987
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Reply-To: sierra@lll-tis.arpa (Frankie Sierra)
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore CA
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Keywords: computers Science not bloody likely

In article <737@elmgate.UUCP> ram@elmgate.UUCP (Randy Martens) writes:
>I am of the firm opinion that there is NO such thing as
>computer science.  To quote (and I have forgotten the attribution)
>"Computer Science bears the same relationship to Real Science, that
>plumbing bears to Hydrodynamics."


In UNIX you can do Computer Piping :-)


>There is, however, Computer Engineering. (and Software Engineering,
>and Systems Engineering etc.).  Science is the discovery of the new.
				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought that there was anything new, but that science is the
discovery of the unknown...Thus, when you enrich your knowledge,
that is a scientific behaviour in nature.  Yes!...a plumber is
a scientist when he discovers how to fix a given pipe without
any tutoring, or when he disprove one of his hypothesis by
discovering that a particular fix didn't work as he thought.
Thus, if a plumber is a scientist, then a programmer is a
scientist, by Modus Ponens on your statement (including tautology).


>Engineering takes what the scientists have found, and finds ways
>to do useful things with it.  The two are like Yin and Yang, closely
>interrelated, but not the same, and each dependant on the other.

Ahja!...Of course they are the same (Yin and Yang), for sure
unrelated, at times different, quite interrelated.  That depends
from your point of view; from your world....Going further on
Descartes,  I believe that if you can imagine it, it is posible!


>I am a computer engineer.

As I said, a software plumber, a scientist.

>
>Randy Martens
>"Reality - What a Concept !" - R.Williams

Frankie Sierra
sierra@lll-tis.arpa
"Reality - thats it !" - Alf

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Frankie Sierra
sierra@lll-tis.ARPA