Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!spf From: spf@clyde.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Is Computer Science Science? Message-ID: <13949@clyde.ATT.COM> Date: Thu, 17-Sep-87 16:50:28 EDT Article-I.D.: clyde.13949 Posted: Thu Sep 17 16:50:28 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 19-Sep-87 07:34:09 EDT References: <5113@sunybcs.UUCP> <6195@apple.UUCP> <5068@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> <737@elmgate.UUCP> <2474@cvl.umd.edu> Sender: nuucp@clyde.ATT.COM Reply-To: spf@moss.UUCP (Steve Frysinger) Distribution: world Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Whippany NJ Lines: 25 Keywords: computers Science not bloody likely In article <2474@cvl.umd.edu> ramesh@cvl.UUCP (Ramesh Sitaraman) writes: >In article <737@elmgate.UUCP> ram@elmgate.UUCP (Randy Martens) writes: >>I am of the firm opinion that there is NO such thing as >>computer science. >Unfortunately you are totally wrong!!! The scientific part of CS >deals with unravelling the nature of computation. This is the >object of study of theoretical areas such as Complexity theory, >recursive function theory, programming language semantics etc. Fair enough. But I think if you examine these (and others, such as automata and graph theories), you'll find that they really are specialties of mathematics. And (in my view of the universe), mathematics is either (a) language, or (b) philosophy, or (c) both. But not science. My requirement is stricter than most dictionaries will give you (but dictionaries follow contemporary usage, so that's not surprising). I require that science study nature (I actually prefer the term "natural philosophy"). And I don't subscribe to the Platonic view that things like numbers and trig functions are part of nature. I think they are linguistic inventions. Most real sciences USE mathematics to describe their observations and hypotheses. Steve Frysinger ** "The nice thing about philosophy is that everybody can be right."